Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Firky]

Paul Mason ‏@paulmasonnews
Looking forward to @PennyRed appearance as off camera guest on #bbcqt - hope trolls have had their medication

 

[Libertad]

I just read that as well, found it strange coming from Mason. Rumours that Penury got the gig through Diane Abbott's best offices.

 

[Firky]

I think Mason might have been taking the piss slightly as it was slightly out of character.

Still staggered she's getting paid to knock out a few posts on twitter during QT.

 

[The39thStep]

In what way would it be out of character?

 

[Delroy Booth]

a friend sums this up:

"
she tweeted a pic of her and owen jones having make-up tea (they fell out because he wrote an article abut George Galloway which she didn’t read properly and thought was about how great Galloway was and she had a massive go at him and he defended himself and she still didn’t read the article and kept having a go at him and all the other twitterati finally managed to get it through to her that he had not said what she said he said and she conceded that owen jones might not have been as clear as he could have done so she invited him to tea so he could apologise) and then they tweeted a pic of them looking abut 12 having a post clear the air tea and cakes cuddle and she was wearing a fedora because sex-pest chic is so now.

And this is what passes for the dialectic these days.

"

Here's a pretty accurate summary of this week's outrage

http://notsobigsociety.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/feminism-the-left-and-unnecessary-twitter-feuds/

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I think Mason might have been taking the piss slightly as it was slightly out of character.

Still staggered she's getting paid to knock out a few posts on twitter during QT.

Nah - He's sound but this was a lefty journo defending someone he sees as a comrade... I disagree with him on this but that doesn't mean it's out of character.

 

[sihhi]

And we're off:

"Laurie Penny ‏@BBCExtraGuest: Ooh, we're off! Question Time has Occupied St Pauls!"

"BBC Question Time ‏@bbcquestiontime
@DougMackDodds asks: Why is potential demise of pollinating insects at hands of neonicotinoids not an international emergency? #bbcqt

Laurie Penny ‏@BBCExtraGuest: world governments don't care that the bees are disappearing. But they should. Ask The Doctor (Tennant era)"

Isn't this meant to assist people who can't afford a TV license?

 

[Firky]

In what way would it be out of character?

Nah - He's sound but this was a lefty journo defending someone he sees as a comrade... I disagree with him on this but that doesn't mean it's out of character.

I don't mind him at all but I was surprised to see that tweet, don't know why, I guess because I think he's sound I also expected him to also think that Laurie is a charlatan.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you been reading this thread at all?

 

[Firky]

Sunny Hundal ‏@sunny_hundal
Vince Cable says IDS plan to restrict benefits for families with more than two children "will not happen". Good on him #bbcqt

 

[Libertad]

Mason may have been referring to the right wing trolls who are showing up on the feed.

 

[Firky]

Rumours that Penury got the gig through Diane Abbott's best offices.

"Spot on from Abbot" and "loving Abbots face".

I have had to turn it off, doing my head in.

 

[frogwoman]

God shes well ensconced in the political/media bubble aint she.

 

[butchersapron]

What did she think was "spot on from Abbot"? That for anyone to be genuine british like she is that you have to be "proud of the country" and "love the royal family"?

 

[sihhi]

What did she think was "spot on from Abbot"? That for anyone to be genuine british like she is that you have to be proud of the country and "love the royal family"?

If I did twitter, this is what I'd post:

Laurie Penny ‏@BBCExtraGuest
'Class is the issue, not race.' BOOM. #bbcqt

> What are you exploding?

Laurie Penny ‏@BBCExtraGuest
The question of immigration and 'integration' keeps coming up on #bbcqt. We're clearly a nation deeply confused about who and what we are.

> Incision. Surgical.

Laurie Penny ‏@BBCExtraGuest
London's multiculturalism is the best thing about this city, and always has been. #bbcqt #proudlondoner

> aka 'I am considerably more multicultural than yow'

Laurie Penny ‏@BBCExtraGuest
This is what unspoken anxiety over end of the British Empire looks like. We violently imposed 'our' culture on others for centuries #bbcqt

> You are the ongoing imposition.

 

[Firky]

What did she think was "spot on from Abbot"?

She (Abbot) said that benefit payments are paltry.

 

[frogwoman]

why is she mates with all of these people? can she not see that if she wants to make some criticisms of class or whatever its a good idea not to be mates with the people exploiting everyone else

 

[The39thStep]

First time I have watched that programme for ages and can see why.

 

[frogwoman]

I never watch it. You get more political insight from my cats who have spent the last ten minutes rooting around in a bag of SP leaflets

 

[sihhi]

Paul Mason has us told:

‏@paulmasonnews
Being British: @bbcquestiontime Hate fascism, love whippets (or any dogs), love kebabs, ignore public rudeness; endure defeat, up to a point

 

[frogwoman]

So lets et this straight she is not on the programme but is being paid to tweet about it wtf ???

 

[Firky]

I know, I presumed the extra quest would at least be in the studio.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Diane Abbott - she who ran for Labour party leadership explicitly to fuck over John McDonnell getting on the ballot, in exchange for a place in the shadow cabinet? That Diane Abbott? Yeah, her. She's a disgrace, but you have gotta hand it to her she's got the ambitious careerism down to a fine art. Going to cambridge certainly does help with this sort of stuff it would seem. No-one should be surprised to see Penny and Abbott as kindred spirits.

 

[frogwoman]

the whole thing is just absolutely pathetic tbh. How the hell can they see themselves as in any way radical?

 

[el-ahrairah]

Paul Mason has us told:

‏@paulmasonnews
Being British: @bbcquestiontime Hate fascism, love whippets (or any dogs), love kebabs, ignore public rudeness; endure defeat, up to a point

that sounds like my mum, except the bit about kebabs.

 

[butchersapron]

And the next post is some

the whole thing is just absolutely pathetic tbh. How the hell can they see themselves as in any way radical?

By defining and shaping the world around them. And they do.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Apart from anything else, it's been seen as appalling manners throughout the class spectrum for about 150 years.

Yeah I think that may be it, it seems oddly rude. I know that's bullshit rationally but it just doesn't look right.

 

[The39thStep]

Laurie Penny @PennyRed
Napped, had an amazing dream. Only realised whilst writing it down that I had dreamed the plot of Wim Wenders' 'Wings Of Desire'.
9:07 PM - 22 Feb 13

If only she had had that dream 30 years ago. Great to dream like great people dream

 

[frogwoman]

for fucks sake

 

[Greebo]

Yeah I think that may be it, it seems oddly rude. I know that's bullshit rationally but it just doesn't look right.

AFAIK it's based on the custom (at one time) for women to cover their hair if in a church - men OTOH were required to bare their heads.