Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[love detective]

The 'digerati'

Women thrive on Twitter, Facebook and so on, yet at the same time are subject to levels of abuse that seems different in tone and content to what is directed at men. Our panel of leading editors, writers and digerati will lead the discussion, which will be followed by networking drinks.
WHEN: February 12, 2013
WHERE: Weston Roof Pavilion, Level 6, Royal Festival Hall, Southbank Centre, Belvedere Road, London SE1 8XX (nearest tube Waterloo or Embankment)
TIME: 6.30pm -8.30
Chaired by Jane Martinson, WiJ Chair and Women’s Editor, the Guardian and introduced by Jude Kelly, Southbank Centre Artistic Director
Panellists include
Helen Lewis, deputy editor, New Statesman; Laurie Penny, blogger, journalist, author; Helen Keegan, specialist in mobile marketing, advertising and media; Eva Simpson, writer; Sue Llewellyn, former BBC reporter, now social/digital strategy and training consultant
Tickets: WiJ members and associates £10, non member £15, students £5

 

[Pickman's model]

The 'digerati'

and what about dolees? do they have to fork out more than students to hear penny's words of wisdom?

you're not going to get a flash mob there at those prices, ld

 

[frogwoman]

I don't even know what that is!

 

[goldenecitrone]

Digital cliterati.

 

[frogwoman]

do they not realise that anyone who actually knows what it is (which is not many people) use the term twitterati and commentariat as terms of abuse?

 

[sihhi]

and what about dolees? do they have to fork out more than students to hear penny's words of wisdom?


you're not going to get a flash mob there at those prices, ld

That's almost an insult on working-class women!

What female claimant would want to listen to:

Sue Llewellyn, businessperson at Ultra Social the "consultancy" firm she founded.
Advises people how to twitter. Tweets stuff like:
"Social media training for the folks at BBC Radio 3 all week. Totally love the blend of old and new architecture and media."
http://ultrasocialuk.tumblr.com/post/22243072879/social-media-training-for-the-folks-at-bbc-radio-3

Helen Keegan, businessperson and advertising and mobiles-market-share-increase consultant:
"Today, Helen is a specialist consultant in mobile marketing, advertising and media working on a wide variety of projects including developing mobile strategies, analysing trends, creating products and services, and implementing initiatives for a wide variety of clients including NewsCorp, Teletext, The English National Opera, Dagen, Egmont, BBC and Vodafone to name but a few. She also advises mobile start-ups on their business strategy and marketing efforts and helps mobile network operators and handset manufacturers with their developer relations programmes. Helen wrote the Guide to Mobile Marketing and Advertising, published by Tanla Mobile in February 2008"

She's also the founder of Mobile Monday.
Example: "Bringing the Shoreditch mobile community together since 2012. Events every few months in East London. Part of the global Mobile Monday family."

"Creative Mobile Fight Club
Ever wondered how the creative thought process works behind the scenes? What inspires the top Shoreditch creatives? Well.. our next event is showcasing just this. Four Creative Directors from the Ditch will inspire, shock and get your creative juices"

http://momoshoreditch.blogspot.co.uk

Eva Simpson, now columnist at the Times, but for years was a "3am girl" at the Mirror - editorial team for celebrity before joining the Sun's 'celebrity' and 'girls' team.

Helen Lewis-Hasteley, who smartly dropped the double barreled surname now just Helen Lewis was propelled to the top of the New Statesman features team with the Mike Danson buyout and the Jason Cowley editorial coup.

at the same time.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's almost an insult on working-class women!

What female claimant would want to listen to:

Sue Llewellyn, businessperson at Ultra Social the "consultancy" firm she founded.
Advises people how to twitter. Tweets stuff like:
"Social media training for the folks at BBC Radio 3 all week. Totally love the blend of old and new architecture and media."
http://ultrasocialuk.tumblr.com/post/22243072879/social-media-training-for-the-folks-at-bbc-radio-3

Helen Keegan, businessperson and advertising and mobiles-market-share-increase consultant:
"Today, Helen is a specialist consultant in mobile marketing, advertising and media working on a wide variety of projects including developing mobile strategies, analysing trends, creating products and services, and implementing initiatives for a wide variety of clients including NewsCorp, Teletext, The English National Opera, Dagen, Egmont, BBC and Vodafone to name but a few. She also advises mobile start-ups on their business strategy and marketing efforts and helps mobile network operators and handset manufacturers with their developer relations programmes. Helen wrote the Guide to Mobile Marketing and Advertising, published by Tanla Mobile in February 2008"

She's also the founder of Mobile Monday.
Example: "Bringing the Shoreditch mobile community together since 2012. Events every few months in East London. Part of the global Mobile Monday family."

"Creative Mobile Fight Club
Ever wondered how the creative thought process works behind the scenes? What inspires the top Shoreditch creatives? Well.. our next event is showcasing just this. Four Creative Directors from the Ditch will inspire, shock and get your creative juices"

http://momoshoreditch.blogspot.co.uk

Eva Simpson, now columnist at the Times, but for years was a "3am girl" at the Mirror - editorial team for celebrity before joining the Sun's 'celebrity' and 'girls' team.

Helen Lewis-Hasteley, who smartly dropped the double barreled surname now just Helen Lewis was propelled to the top of the New Statesman features team with the Mike Danson buyout and the Jason Cowley editorial coup.

at the same time.

seems to me an emetick would be cheaper, of more lasting utility, more pleasurable and not entail such a long journey.

 

[phildwyer]

"Things like John Peel dying... really hit the counterculture hard in the last two or three decades.

Where will we be if Mick Jagger pegs it?

 

[Bakunin]

Bakunin posting.

I just added this comment to her latest bilge about the Pope:

'While I have no fondness for Catholicism, I do have some fondness for accuracy and not, through either poor research or wilful ignorance, giving the false impression that the Pope was a Nazi simply by being a member of the Hitler Youth. Membership was compulsory and, if memory serves, Pope Benedict promptly deserted after a very brief period as a front-line soldier therein. This is a matter of public record and established fact. If he'd been picked up by Nazis after deserting, the least he could expect was to be thrown inoto a composite infantry unit called a 'Kampfgruppe' ('battle group') or, more likely, simplt shot by the roadside or left dangling from the nearest tree or lamppost bearing a placard stating he was a deserter who'd betrayed his country.

To not state this indicates poor or non-existent research. Either that or a deliberate smear knowing that Pope Benedict, whatever other faults he might have, is not and never was a committed Nazi.'


I'll be curious as to whether or not it actually makes it past moderation.

Surprise, surprise. I can't find it on the comments stream.

 

[Firky]

It's her party and she will cry if she wants to.

 

[sihhi]

Sunny Hundal - a walking parody of himself. He just wants leftists to lie so he can be more happy:

"Sunny Hundal ‏@sunny_hundal
I'm betting some people on the left will still complain that Obama avoided addressing climate change"



post soon

 

[Greebo]

Where will we be if Mick Jagger pegs it?

The same place "we" are now, his shoes were probably filled some time ago.

 

[el-ahrairah]

so much Bellendism

 

[8den]

Good post Bakunin there are a tremendous amounts of things the pope has done either as a cardinal or as Pontiff that exposes his willingness to subvert the clause of justice to save the church face.

 

[treelover]

sussex-university-occupation-escalates
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2013/feb/13/sussex-university-occupation-escalates

Massive anti-privatisation student protest, fighting for the lowest paid at Sussex Uni,

Just thought I would post this here, must say I was surprised at the numbers even if it is ephemeral, as I thought the student movemnt was dead, after all these are paying 30,000 for their education, as its her old stomping ground maybe Laura will get down there to report if she can ...

 

[Delroy Booth]

Fresh off the tweeter, and much to butchers chagrin another isolated quote from Penny:

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
First time I've seen the workings of the Oxford Union. There is really a whole other world of privilege I didn't see when I studied here.

 

[Bakunin]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
First time I've seen the workings of the Oxford Union. There is really a whole other world of privilege I didn't see when I studied here.

Funny, I could have sworn that proper journalists were supposed to be observant.

 

[weepiper]

She's just tweeted 'I'm sorry, who are you?' to Alex Massie because he said this:

alexmassie ‏@alexmassie
The REAL victims of the Iraq War? Laurie Penny & assorted other whining left-wing narcissists: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/02/the-iraq-wars-real-victims-laurie-penny-and-the-narcissistic-left/ …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Massie_(journalist)

lol

 

[emanymton]

She's just tweeted 'I'm sorry, who are you?' to Alex Massie because he said this:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Massie_(journalist)

lol

His article is shit though.

 

[weepiper]

His article is shit though.

Oh yeah, but her response is revealing - straight onto the 'your opinion is only worth anything if you're famous'. I suppose after all he only went to a little provincial boarding school.

 

[butchersapron]

Does it ever cross these people minds that there is a option NOT TO ADDRESS THE OXFORD UNION?

Crudass' up next.

 

[Idris2002]

Does it ever cross these people minds that there is a option NOT TO ADDRESS THE OXFORD UNION?
Crudass' up next.

 

[Firky]

Funny, I could have sworn that proper journalists were supposed to be observant.

Was about to say the same thing!

 

[equationgirl]

Oh yeah, but her response is revealing - straight onto the 'your opinion is only worth anything if you're famous'. I suppose after all he only went to a little provincial boarding school.

And a provincial university.

 

[Delroy Booth]

And a provincial university.

Reminds me of when she came onto here and had a good Telegraph style whinge about "some of us have jobs y'know, you workshy feckless dolescum."

A provincial uni? My god, the horror!

 

[not-bono-ever]

He did apply to cambridge x2 though, and got rejected.

 

[equationgirl]

He did apply to cambridge x2 though, and got rejected.

So? TCD is still one of the best unis in the world.

 

[Firky]

Oh yeah, but her response is revealing - straight onto the 'your opinion is only worth anything if you're famous'. I suppose after all he only went to a little provincial boarding school.

She'd have known exactly who it was, it's a one of the disses that kids use online, "who are you?". A bit like when she said, "this is why we can't have nice things". That's another internet thing, she's part of the first generation who grew up when the internet saturation started to increase. It's part of their language and identity. I think that is partly why you hear kids like Laurie literally say the words, "OH EM GEE".

Actually, that's another group for the wall: people who say "OH EM GEE".

 

[not-bono-ever]

So? TCD is still one of the best unis in the world.

just saying like- mebbes penny the red doesnt rate him cos of this

 

[Delroy Booth]

She'd have known exactly who it was, it's a one of the disses that kids use online, "who are you?". A bit like when she said, "this is why we can't have nice things". That's another internet thing, she's part of the first generation who grew up when the internet saturation started to increase. It's part of their language and identity. I think that is partly why you hear kids like Laurie literally say the words, "OH EM GEE".

Actually, that's another group for the wall: people who say "OH EM GEE".

Yeah I remember going to visit a friend of mine at University of East London about 2 years ago and there were people in his campus using the word "lol" as if it's a word. I don't generally give a fuck about young people using stupid phrases, if I'm not mistaken those sort of acronyms and shorteners have been used for ages before the internet anyway, but that really pissed me off. I think it's to do with the people who are appropriating it, and what they're trying to say about themselves by doing so, than the word itself.

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