Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[ViolentPanda]

savoury porridge is hunnish

Slav.

 

[frogwoman]

what about mamaliga?

 

[DotCommunist]

what about mamaliga?

sounds like a scientific name for a portion of the BRAINZ

 

[frogwoman]

sounds like a scientific name for a portion of the BRAINZ

oatmeal porridge from moldova lol, it's nice, got a drunk video of myself somewhere going on about how much i like it

 

[wtfftw]

Perfectly possible to fuck up porridge in a microwave.

 

[DotCommunist]

Perfectly possible to fuck up porridge in a microwave.

only if you are one of those people who leaves it unnatended, like people who think its OK to leave a chip pan unnatended 'I only popped out for a slash'


5 dead in house fire

 

[wtfftw]

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

What about chopped sausage?

vom

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

Hi Twitter

I'm fitting a new clutch. Can someone tell me how to open the bonnet...

 

[SpineyNorman]

Hi twitter, supposed to be writing an essay on whether the 1880s marked turning point in thinking on the social question in Britain but I can't be arsed - can someone do it for me?

 

[frogwoman]

Hi twitter, can somebody copy and paste something into a spreadsheet for me?

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

Hi Twitter

Send me suggestions on how I can come over as a bit more 'prole'...holding a fag and trying to look mean and enigmatic isn't really doin the job.

 

[Buckaroo]

I want to draw a picture of an identity politics warrior. Does anyone on Twitter know where I could get some crayons?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Hi twitter, just laid a massive cable and realised I don't have any bogroll - can someone go and pick some up for me?

 

[tufty79]

have any urban people actually gone to tonight's talk. oh, hang on, it's monday.. are any urban people actually going to tomorrow's talk?
i'm having one of my cursing-being-200-miles-from-london moments. i would absolutely LOVE for someone to ask why she left her homework until almost the night before, and then expected other people to do it for her..

 

[barney_pig]

Hi twitter, I have to write a 2000 word phd proposal by next Friday, any ideas?
If it works for her, why not for me?

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

have any urban people actually gone to tonight's talk. oh, hang on, it's monday.. are any urban people actually going to tomorrow's talk?
i'm having one of my cursing-being-200-miles-from-london moments. i would absolutely LOVE for someone to ask why she left her homework until almost the night before, and then expected other people to do it for her..

It's worse than that. Knowing nothing about the Paris Commune, she has none the less pre-decided it provides ample illustration of "a contextual look at how the rage and pride of women is personal, political - and endlessly powerful." Now, whether it does or not, her analysis cannot be objective since she is bound to arrive at a pre-decided outcome. I think this kinda sums up her approach to 'journalism': she simply 'sees' and says something she'd already decided upon...and that simply isn't journalism. At best it's propaganda and at worst 'fiction'. Either way, considering what happened to Hari, she's living a charmed life.

As it goes, I think her 'reading' of women's participation rests upon a highly tendentious and exaggerated entry on Wikipedia and she's gonna find herself rather disappointed when she drills for detail...not that this'll stop her.

Do people pay to attend this lecture?

 

[tufty79]

nope.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

nope.

That's a shame...cos I'm not even going, and I want my money back anyway.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd pay not to listen to a squeaky toy plate up crowd sourced shit about the paris commune. Mind you, if anyone wants to recc a book on it I''d welcome suggestions. At present I'm only wikeducated on the subject.

the rage will have to wait for another day, I've got too much else on

 

[Bakunin]

It's worse than that. Knowing nothing about the Paris Commune, she has none the less pre-decided it provides ample illustration of "a contextual look at how the rage and pride of women is personal, political - and endlessly powerful." Now, whether it does or not, her analysis cannot be objective since she is bound to arrive at a pre-decided outcome. I think this kinda sums up her approach to 'journalism': she simply 'sees' and says something she'd already decided upon...and that simply isn't journalism. At best it's propaganda and at worst 'fiction'. Either way, considering what happened to Hari, she's living a charmed life.

As it goes, I think her 'reading' of women's participation rests upon a highly tendentious and exaggerated entry on Wikipedia and she's gonna find herself rather disappointed when she drills for detail...not that this'll stop her.

Do people pay to attend this lecture?

I can't help wondering whether chucking her a load of obvious cobblers that could be instantly disproved with a few Google searches, then seeing how much of it is regurgitated as 'fact' might be vaguely interesting.

 

[Sue]

I think Owen Jones was using 100% milk, instead of the workers' ratio of 50:50 milk and water, thereby displaying his petit bourgeois tendencies

Oh, I was brought up on 100% water and lots of salt...

 

[butchersapron]

How handy, Mr Mason has just (as in this minute) had this published in history workshop journal:

Why it was Kicking off Then

Journalist and author Paul Mason shares his fascination with the “unruly women” of the Paris Commune, and describes how digital evidence has begun to enrich the work of historians.

Almost as soon as the last petrol bomb was thrown, and even as the alleged throwers were being marched through Versailles, stripped to the waist to identify them as female, the ideological battle over the role of women in the Paris Commune of 1871 began.

Vilified as “harpies” and “viragoes”, both in news reports and press cartoons – their sexual energy as terrifying as their politics – many were summarily executed after combat. Others were jailed or deported, either to New Caledonia or the tropical hell of Cayenne.

Then their story became subsumed within the labour movement’s attempts to understand the Commune’s history as a failed, primarily political, experiment. From Prosper Olivier Lissagaray’s (1876) account to Frank Jellinek’s 1937 volume for the Left Book Club, the social history of the Commune as a whole, merited scant treatment compared to the military and political events.

What's going on here then? See also:

Paul Mason’s latest book Why It’s Kicking Off Everywhere was published by Verso in 2012. His play about the women of the Paris Commune, “Defeat”, is currently in development.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

Here's what's going on...

Paul Mason on twitter...8 hours ago

@Dymaxion @PennyRed and me in one coffee bar. Certain blogs gonna explode now.

He does the research, writes the book...she uses his stuff...gets him the exposure...win, win...the useful idiot liberal elite scratching each others' backs like there's a fuckin shingles epidemic in Soho

This shite is dishonest, venal and the reason the 'left' is disappearing up its own arse...while the left can't get a fuckin sniff of a comment piece and the beeb won't touch it with a bargepole...cos they never went to Oxbridge and, actually: "they sound a bit Bolshie and are very careless with their aitches and never mention identity."

 

[not-bono-ever]

this is blates a wind up. No-one would post a request for info on a subject like 48 hours before an earth shattering lecture.She is an expert on teh Paris commune anyway im sure.

 

[not-bono-ever]

be interesting to see how much of her presentation is lifted straight from her contacts work.

 

[Firky]

Paul Mason bought me a Danish pastry. Laurie would never buy me a Danish pastry.

Anyway. Miss Penny is only doing what she has always done, crowd sourcing research. Sometimes she'll ask whimsically and other times, like the above, quite bluntly. There's nothing wrong with it as such. as a student or when reading upon something you know nothing about...

Therein lies the problem. Isn't she the go to person, the fountain of knowledge and insight, not her sycophantic followers on twitter?

 

[cesare]

How handy, Mr Mason has just (as in this minute) had this published in history workshop journal:

Why it was Kicking off Then
What's going on here then? See also:

He did the equivalent of her jaunt to Greece etc to write the Kicking Off book. But he's a proper journalist who can also write. I daresay he sees himself as her mentor and she strokes his ego.

 

[sihhi]

be interesting to see how much of her presentation is lifted straight from her contacts work.

Paul Mason going downhill. He did some fucked up bullshit a year after the riots last summer. There's our people - good or ill - still in jail and it's all a flap to him. Anyone can be as radical as they like about events over a hundred and forty years ago. China's official Communist Party Foreign Comradeship society holds an annual Commune remembrance event. Proper talks proper social history fists in the air so bloody what.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

He did the equivalent of her jaunt to Greece etc to write the Kicking Off book. But he's a proper journalist who can also write. I daresay he sees himself as her mentor and she strokes his ego.

You sure someone with an ego like hers strokes other people's?