Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[cesare]

Rage and pride and nice things

 

[articul8]

wtf do you think the best could possibly look like?

In LPs case? Probably that she'd at least read something credible on the period and wasn't trying to wing it.

 

[butchersapron]

In LPs case? Probably that she'd at least read something credible on the period and wasn't trying to wing it.

Not much distance between best and worst in that case. There is no best in this case though.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's one for you to do LP, if you want to shura up your reputation. Filipino women slaved in the UAE - indian, pakistani, bengali -they do the lot, your hosts. How about a talk on their endless power.

 

[TruXta]

Apropos of nothing, but Sheikh Zayed is still revered in the UAE as the Father of the Nation. His face and name is everywhere.

 

[butchersapron]

For getting rid of the queers?

 

[TruXta]

For getting rid of the queers?

That too I guess. But in reality more for leading the former Trucial States into a new federation and taking it from the middle ages to the modern era economically (not socially or politically) in about 40 years.

 

[el-ahrairah]

he won a Champions Of The Earth award in 2005. "Earth, Air, Fire, Water, OIL!"

 

[butchersapron]

Missed out the STEEL

 

[TruXta]

he won a Champions Of The Earth award in 2005. "Earth, Air, Fire, Water, OIL!"

Sheikh Zayed? He died in 2004

 

[rekil]

That too I guess. But in reality more for leading the former Trucial States into a new federation and taking it from the middle ages to the modern era economically (not socially or politically) in about 40 years.

Slavery, indentured labour and prostitution ftw.

 

[rekil]

Missed out the STEEL

Mark Steel ‏@mrmarksteel
Excellent article by @PennyRed on the appalling business at the SWP http://goo.gl/I5tbC Shall we try and create something a bit less shite?

 

[butchersapron]

Slavery, indentured labour and prostitution ftw.

Let's take it to the the lecture theatre!

 

[butchersapron]

Mark Steel ‏@mrmarksteel
Excellent article by @PennyRed on the appalling business at the SWP http://goo.gl/I5tbC Shall we try and create something a bit less shite?

He failed to grasp the new perspective years ago. Not part of the IS tradition, despite 20 years membership. Political education.

 

[TruXta]

Slavery, indentured labour and prostitution ftw.

Yep, all structured within aggressive and criminally charged capitalism.

 

[rekil]

All back to Bragg's to create something a bit less shite.

 

[butchersapron]

All back to Bragg's to create something a bit less shite.

Bagsy the RAF duvet!

 

[ska invita]

interesting take ive not heard before on why the SWP is the way it is:

Paid full-time leaders of “Leninist” groups stay in power for many years and decades; they accumulate huge gaps in their resumes and professional development that make returning to the labor market almost impossible; therefore, they have a very personal stake in maintaining their paychecks and livelihoods which are derived from their office.

So they institute closed slate systems to make their removal all but impossible; they expel dissidents; they prevent horizontal communication and discussion between branches of the organization; they appoint reliable yes-men and yes-women to positions of power over the membership; and they accuse anyone who objects to any of this of being anti-Leninist and opposed to democratic centralism, as if these practices remotely resemble those of Lenin or the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party!
http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=4691

 

[rekil]

Bagsy the RAF duvet!

Billy Bragg ‏@billybragg
Brewing up with Pennyred pic.twitter.com/TwaTSx

 

[el-ahrairah]

uh

 

[ViolentPanda]

interesting take ive not heard before on why the SWP is the way it is:

When I said much the same on here several years ago about the SWP CC caring more about keeping the racket going and glibly conning the membership than about revolution, I got scolded for being a "conspiracy theorist".

 

[el-ahrairah]

Sheikh Zayed? He died in 2004

fucking wikipedia fucks.

 

[audiotech]

I am old enough to remeber a period when if as a male you were at a lefty party you had a dilemna that if you started dancing with a woman with fem earings.....

I see femjewellery has moved on since those heady days.....

 

[The39thStep]

interesting take ive not heard before on why the SWP is the way it is:

Interesting as in crackers?

 

[Firky]

he won a Champions Of The Earth award in 2005. "Earth, Air, Fire, Water, OIL!"

Posthumous or a typo?

 

[ska invita]

Interesting as in crackers?

do they not have a very personal stake in maintaining their paychecks and livelihoods which are derived from their office?

 

[Random]

That too I guess. But in reality more for leading the former Trucial States into a new federation and taking it from the middle ages to the modern era economically (not socially or politically) in about 40 years.

IIRC Zaid was handed the leadership of Abu Dhabi by the local British representative, who deposed Zaid's brother c1966 for being unwilling to turn AD into a petrostate.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

You can fuck off too

Ooh...fuck me...an angry face. Better not mess with you.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

Been thinking about this whole business of privilege/intersectionality and how it creates divisions between groups and people who should be showing solidarity in a common cause. Not sure it's altogether a bad thing tbh because there are quite a few of them I don't want to be solid with...and it's quite convenient that they should reject me first on spurious pseudo-academic grounds than I should have to say: "actually, no thanks...I think you're a total fraudulent posturing twat."

 

[Firky]

Billy Bragg ‏@billybragg
Brewing up with Pennyred pic.twitter.com/TwaTSx

That link doesn't work here.