Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Delroy Booth]

That's it. I'm done.

Not even gonna bother answering these then?

Now I've answered Laurie's questions in good faith, perhaps you'd return the favour and answer a few of mine?

1) What do you think about the spat between the NUJ and the New Statesman? Are you a member of the NUJ?

2) Did the decision to run the advert from the homophobic christian group in the New Statesman make you reconsider working for them? And do you know where the proceeds of said advertisement ended up?

3) Why did you give Stephen Lennon of the EDL a platform, at a point when the EDL is in terminal decline and where his agenda, ie using you and other journalists to try and revive it (whilst getting a good free scran too) was blatant from the outset?

Laurie Penny, she who gives platforms to fascists and who works for a scabbing, homophobic liberal paper, scratching her head with bemusement at why a forum riddled with anarchists, anti-fascists, socialists and trade unionists are often critical of her.

The one thing they definitely don't teach in Oxbridge is self-awareness.

 

[Bakunin]

Sorry, have I hurt your feelings? Let me remind you that I found this thread when I was directed to a cartoon that contained a funny joke about anarchists and socialists beating 'me' up. Let me remind you that I receive real threats of violence on a daily basis, and getting this wasn't funny at all.

How about I stop calling you misogynists when your scraps of reasoned critique aren't awash with spiteful bullshit and comments on my appearance and sneery, creepy sexual comments? How about I stop you calling you misogynists when the so-called left stops attacking any woman at all who dares to show any evidence of ego or confidence in public?

I'm sure that in your hearts you believe you're not misogynists. But you sure as hell seem to hate any woman with a platform.

That's it. I'm done.

Translated:

'I don't like being questioned or fact-checked so I'm taking my bat and ball home.'

And for somebody that doesn't like being the subject of insults, you certainly don't seem to mind using them when it suits you. Personally, I don't give a toss about the gender, race, class, geographical location, nationality or any other demographic when it comes to journalists or anyone else. I do give a toss about:

Poor journalism involving low-quality prose, fabrication of 'facts', blaming sub-editors when a journalist is caught out, the hypocrisy of hacks endlessly wanting to stick their nose wherever they want and then complaining when they're subject to similar scrutiny, people using good causes as a career move and ego-boost, people who meet even constructive criticism and comment either by ignoring it or by smearing people as bigots/evildoers/haters/inert insult here, and people who claim to be some self-appointed 'voice of activists' even when the activists concerned wouldn't touch them with a bargepole and hacks who think that they themselves are always the star and whatever story they're covering is less important than they are.

 

[Belushi]

Seriously, that's your answer? Women do it too so it can't be sexist?

Ah, the glorious British left and its powers of persuasive reasoning. Good grief I regret ever having offended you.

TBF there has been some misogyny on here, but it has been jumped on and I think you're just throwing it as an accusation to ignore the substantive points about your enormously privileged background and why posing as the champion of a working class you don't know might irk people a bit.

 

[frogwoman]

"the left"

 

[weepiper]

"the left"

yeah but not the proper left, the brave new young left, only the so-called left. Dusty. Gnarled. Slightly smelly left.

 

[SpineyNorman]

it's nothing to do with sexism,

Good way of avoiding the point though isn't it?

I wonder if we can use our class backgrounds in the same way?

You're only disgreeing with me because you think I'm a stupid prole Laurie

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm sure that in your hearts you believe you're not misogynists. But you sure as hell seem to hate any woman with a platform.

Trans: "You're all misogynists. You've dared criticise me, therefore you hate all women".

Get over yourself.

 

[stethoscope]

Seriously, that's your answer? Women do it too so it can't be sexist?

Ah, the glorious British left and its powers of persuasive reasoning. Good grief I regret ever having offended you.

Misogynist.

 

[Firky]

ah fuck it,

 

[framed]

Seriously, that's your answer? Women do it too so it can't be sexist?

Ah, the glorious British left and its powers of persuasive reasoning. Good grief I regret ever having offended you.

I thought you said you was done Dave?

 

[Delroy Booth]

when the so-called left stops attacking any woman Privately educated Oxbridge graduates at all who dares to show any evidence of ego or confidence in public?

I'm sure that in your hearts you believe you're not misogynists. But you sure as hell seem to hate any woman Privately educated Oxbridge graduates with a platform.

That's it. I'm done.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

aerial assaults over Libya:

NFZ was actually demonstrated for in Benghazi.

 

[frogwoman]

Good way of avoiding the point though isn't it?

I wonder if we can use our class backgrounds in the same way?

You're only disgreeing with me because you think I'm a stupid prole Laurie

lumpenz

/dot

 

[ViolentPanda]

I took the Swappie to mean "working-class oiks with dirt under their fingernails", but he could have meant "greasy Yids" as I was in my "wear a magen David instead of a cocoa tin lid medallion" phase.

 

[Blagsta]

Seriously, that's your answer? Women do it too so it can't be sexist?

Ah, the glorious British left and its powers of persuasive reasoning. Good grief I regret ever having offended you.

Why not try and engage with the points put to you?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Tweet earlier - can't find it now, bit pissed - surmising this thread, being "lefties" attacking our Laurie, must by a process of elimination, be "Blairites".

ETA: Must be said (I've just found it) surmiser an American. A new market for Laura.

 

[ViolentPanda]

yeah but not the proper left, the brave new young left, only the so-called left. Dusty. Gnarled. Slightly smelly left.

Is that the same as what articul8 calls "the ultra-left" (i.e. anyone vaguely socialist)?

 

[SpineyNorman]

NFZ was actually demonstrated for in Benghazi.

You can fuck off too.

 

[alfajobrob]

Socialist, ImMrOlist?, aNarC15t? Capitilisz?, Sandwcihz'ista I am in you!

 

[Steel Icarus]

Is that the same as what articul8 calls "the ultra-left" (i.e. anyone vaguely socialist)?

Owen Jones was described on BBC This Week last night as "Hard Left". The Overton Window gets smashed.

Hello, VP, by the way. You alright?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Is that the same as what articul8 calls "the ultra-left" (i.e. anyone vaguely socialist)?

I think it means those political dinosaurs who drone on about class and that rather than a load of trendy identity politics.

 

[framed]

She'll be back... an ego like that can't get enough of herself, whether its negative or positive attention she's getting.

 

[Delroy Booth]

I'm just disappointed she didn't answer my questions

I feel sorry for class-struggle anarchists, a quick look on the internet tells me that this reformist privilge theory shite is gonna be hegemonic over here in a few years, and all that was once great about anarchism will be forgotten and reduced to a pale imitation of Laurie Penny.

 

[goldenecitrone]

She'll be back... an ego like that can't get enough of herself, whether its negative or positive attention she's getting.

Do you reckon? She seems to be used to addressing a mass audience rather than individual posters. She barely responded to some posters ardour at all.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

You can fuck off too.

NO. YOU

 

[framed]

I'm just disappointed she didn't answer my questions

God loves a trier...

 

[Crispy]

A landmark in urban75 history. Sincerely honoured to witness it

 

[Steel Icarus]

She'll be back... an ego like that can't get enough of herself, whether its negative or positive attention she's getting.

Fat lot of good it'll do. Like she'll engage with any criticism without immediately crying "misogynist troll" and fucking off again to the nearest frozen TrotSki Yoghurt™ vendor.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Owen Jones was described on BBC This Week last night as "Hard Left". The Overton Window gets smashed.

Hard Left? The poor lad is a middling Labourite social democrat who seems to have a good heart. Anyone accusing him of being "Hard left" is frankly a bit Peter Hitchens!

Hello, VP, by the way. You alright?

Getting by, mate. How's yourself?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

A landmark in urban75 history. Sincerely honoured to witness it

You'd better thank firky