Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Spanky Longhorn]

sorry, I've obviously not been obsessed enough with her to know the answer to the question.

jesus it's not that - the fact is your question is irrelevant.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

You know, don't you, that this is why we can't have nice things. Like a revolution.

I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, but collectively you come across like a bunch of creepy bedroom bullies.

Hear hear. Hating on people doing stuff is rather detractive. Besides, you are the only self-professed radfem journalist that I know of, in mainstream press. That's all.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

You just fancy her.

 

[binka]

sxip shirey ‏@sxipshirey
@PennyRed The post-colonial need of some English to cut down any anyone who shows a trace of drive, motivation, hope or joy is sad.
sxip shirey ‏@sxipshirey
@PennyRed Some people who are not doing action have an abusive need to cut down those who are not doing action.


Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
@sxipshirey that's an interesting analysis and I'm not sure it's at all inaccurate. Also, x


great stuff

 

[Firky]

wow.

 

[butchersapron]

Hear hear. Hating on people doing stuff is rather detractive. Besides, you are the only self-professed radfem journalist that I know of, in mainstream press. That's all.

No swuxdj word as detractive you parasum.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Yeah, of course *rolleyes

 

[butchersapron]

There's a thread about Owen Jones somewhere, Laurie. Might want to give him a headsup. You're not alone.

This thread would be better without you.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

No swuxdj word as detractive you parasum.

I'm pretty damn sure there is

 

[SpineyNorman]

Hear hear. Hating on people doing stuff is rather detractive. Besides, you are the only self-professed radfem journalist that I know of, in mainstream press. That's all.

Isn't that all the more reason to hold her to account?

 

[butchersapron]

aerial assaults over Libya:

 

[free spirit]

jesus it's not that - the fact is your question is irrelevant.

good job you're here to point that out then, I'd hate to think Laurie might have wasted her time answering an irrelevant question.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Isn't that all the more reason to hold her to account?

fair point. . . some of the hatey stuff oversteps the mark

 

[bluestreak]

Hear hear. Hating on people doing stuff is rather detractive. Besides, you are the only self-professed radfem journalist that I know of, in mainstream press. That's all.

a radfem who has been known to attack other radfems in her column to push her pro-sex industry nonsense. very sisterly.

 

[love detective]

Actually signed the contract for this book almost 2 years ago, but put it off because needed time to travel, do politics, grow up some more.

Laurie Penny, 23, never imagined she would find herself enmeshed in a world of poverty

 

[butchersapron]

She imagined that she was, for the article. Making Conn look like a lazy cunt as well (great work on Hillsborough)

 

[SpineyNorman]

fair point. . . some of the hatey stuff oversteps the mark

Yes but to focus only on that is a bit dishonest - there's loads of perfectly valid criticism on this thread - pages of it. And mentioning an essay about someone I've never even heard of doesn't really do it justice.

The 'hatey stuff' just provides a good excuse to either ignore the credible stuff or go attention seeking on twitter - I'd be pleased if Laura doesn't take either of these options and actually engages. I'd also be very surprised sadly.

 

[bluestreak]

bedroom bullies? what does that mean? is it a sexual thing? have we been accused of poor sexual etiquette as well as being not lefties, post colonialists, not doing action of any sort, and caring for the working classes rather than the champagne classes.

 

[bluestreak]

also, for the most part, people have been told off for being shits.

 

[weepiper]

bedroom bullies? what does that mean? is it a sexual thing? have we been accused of poor sexual etiquette as well as being not lefties, post colonialists, not doing action of any sort, and caring for the working classes rather than the champagne classes.

we all hate women apparently. All of us. All women.

 

[butchersapron]

we all hate women apparently. All of us. All women.

Women have no questions. (Or Points)

 

[bluestreak]

an attack on one is an attack on all.

as a working class man, i therefore assume that when lp has a go at a thread on which i have posted, she is having a go at all working class men.

i was living in a tree for the cause whilst she was still playing with dolls. i don't need to take this.

*thumps stick on veranda*

*wanders off confused*

 

[SpineyNorman]

You know, don't you, that this is why we can't have nice things. Like a revolution.

I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, but collectively you come across like a bunch of creepy bedroom bullies.

This absolutely has to feature in the next issue of Workers' Girder by the way.

 

[butchersapron]

mysoculary.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

(((nice things)))

 

[butchersapron]

This absolutely has to feature in the next issue of Workers' Girder by the way.

Almost masthead material.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I really, really hope she's going through the thread now. I can't imagine she wouldn't.

And what I really want for Christmas, Santa, is for some actual engagement with the many, many valid and serious political points in this thread. FFS, it's really fucking tedious to have it whittled down to a Twitter status about trolls, toilet habits and misogyny, and have all the cheerleaders agree yes how awful it is and how some people don't like a woman with an opinion and this is why the left fail.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, but collectively you come across like a bunch of creepy bedroom bullies.

Not standing outside Westminster school 28 grand a year(term?)

 

[weepiper]

Being patronised by a 26 year old who claims to hate being patronised is quite something.

 

[butchersapron]

I really, really hope she's going through the thread now. I can't imagine she wouldn't.

And what I really want for Christmas, Santa, is for some actual engagement with the many, many valid and serious political points in this thread. FFS, it's really fucking tedious to have it whittled down to a Twitter status about trolls, toilet habits and misogyny, and have all the cheerleaders agree yes how awful it is and how some people don't like a woman with an opinion and this is why the left fail.

Yep, for all the quick posts and that, this is it. Won't happen. Couldn't even deal with a shortened version of them