Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Orang Utan]

Just because people accept it as such, it doesn't actually mean that it does.

yes it does. that's how language works.

 

[el-ahrairah]

it doesn't fucking matter at all. it would only matter if people didn't understand what you were talking about.

yeah, but going into a shop and saying "give me a cunting coffee you snot-faced bled shitbox" would also be a comprehensible request for a coffee, but not a reasonable one.

 

[U N Arrator]

after serving, has he got a coffee? yes or no?

No, 'cos the right thinking staff member has seen the light and fucking thrown it over him. (Although he has indeed then 'got' it-and in the most fitting way.)

 

[TruXta]

I didn't know lefties were linguistic prescriptivists.

 

[cesare]

Then I'd say 'No need for the sir/madam nonsense. We're all comrades here. This. <gestures panoramically> Is Firebox.'

And I would say "In that case comrade, of course you may have a molotov mocktail. Where would you like it?"

 

[weepiper]

I didn't know lefties were linguistic prescriptivists.

have you been here long?

 

[butchersapron]

yes it does. that's how language works.

Get out of london, quick!

 

[Frances Lengel]

yes it does. that's how language works.

It doesn't matter how language evolves, saying "Can I get..." is for wankers. You seem an ok guy so for your own good cease the practice forthwith.

 

[el-ahrairah]

fuck off lletsa. you're the sheep.

oh, that's why they're so fucking dull.

 

[TruXta]

have you been here long?

Not long enough clearly. Oh, depends you where you mean by here?

 

[U N Arrator]

yes it does. that's how language works.

What-it works by people mimicking crap actors from bad foreign sitcoms and soaps?

 

[discokermit]

He has a coffee, but he hasn't got it himself.

he's got a coffee. for fucksake.

people who moan about americanisms just make themselves look like wankers. i talk like i'm from the seventeenth century and where has it got me?

 

[TruXta]

he's got a coffee. for fucksake.

people who moan about americanisms just make themselves look like wankers. i talk like i'm from the seventeenth century and where has it got me?

Into the People's Jag?

 

[weepiper]

Not long enough clearly. Oh, depends you where you mean by here?

Urban. We like nothing better than a row about the correct way to say things.

 

[el-ahrairah]

I didn't know lefties were linguistic prescriptivists.

appropriate language is teh foundation of theory.

 

[TruXta]

Urban. We like nothing better than a row about the correct way to say things.

I know I know. People's boredom knows no ends.

appropriate language is teh foundation of theory.

I see what you did there.

 

[Frances Lengel]

he's got a coffee. for fucksake.

people who moan about americanisms just make themselves look like wankers. i talk like i'm from the seventeenth century and where has it got me?

It's not so much that it's an Americanism, more that its a wankerism.

 

[DotCommunist]

We need david starkeys take on this thorny issue

 

[el-ahrairah]

he's got a coffee. for fucksake.

people who moan about americanisms just make themselves look like wankers. i talk like i'm from the seventeenth century and where has it got me?

boringly, some linguists believe that americans talk more like the seventeeth century english than the english do.

 

[rekil]

And I would say "In that case comrade, of course you may have a molotov mocktail. Where would you like it?"

Outside at table number bolivian neighbourhood assembly, whatever the one with the hookah pipe is called. And can you get a fucking move on.

 

[U N Arrator]

It's not so much that it's an Americanism, more that its a wankerism.

Surely lots of Yanks hate this crap as well.

 

[butchersapron]

We need david starkeys take on this thorny issue

David has a house in the US so can probably slip between the demotic. Laurie will charge you 5 grand for doing so.

 

[Orang Utan]

yeah, but going into a shop and saying "give me a cunting coffee you snot-faced bled shitbox" would also be a comprehensible request for a coffee, but not a reasonable one.

sure, but it's not rude to ask if you can get a coffee!

 

[cesare]

It's not so much that it's an Americanism, more that its a wankerism.

Which is how it arose on this LP thread. Cos she said it or was likely to say it. OU is merely setting out to prove the point.

 

[butchersapron]

boringly, some linguists believe that americans talk more like the seventeeth century english than the english do.

West country english at that - best in the world.

 

[discokermit]

Into the People's Jag?

it's not the peoples, it's mine. the people can fuck off.

 

[Orang Utan]

oh, that's why they're so fucking dull.

it was immediately obvious. people cannot hide the bees in their bonnets.

 

[TruXta]

it's not the peoples, it's mine. the people can fuck off.

Against the wall, mate.

 

[U N Arrator]

sure, but it's not rude to ask if you can get a coffee!

Not rude, just plain wrong (in all senses).

 

[Frances Lengel]

sure, but it's not rude to ask if you can get a coffee!

It's not rude, but it is for twats - Honestly, don't do it.