Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[chilango]

btw, RTS was full of people like M/C and Laura...

Do expand...

 

[butchersapron]

btw, RTS was full of people like M/C and Laura...

Why are you talking about them? Haven't you heard what andy newman said on the socialist unity site the other day?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Because no one knows or care who Andy newman is. Why not start a thread on him?

Because treelover doesn't do stuff, treelover asks why others don't do what treelover thinks is a great idea.

And when in doubt, treelover leaves an ellipsis hanging in the air to denote something of great gnostic significance...

 

[chilango]

It was the academic careerists that manged to wriggle themselves under the radar.

Not under everyone's radar.

Some of us were always onto them...

 

[chilango]

For all her faults, Laura has wrote passionately about basic issues like welfare(though increasingly less) why not target other dubious individuals like Andy (Cardinal ) Newman, of Socialist Unity grouping, this week the Tories are talking about freezing benefits and uprating them with average wages not inflation, yet what is on their 'very popular' site?, Israel, Palestine, Galloway, Yaqoob, BNP, Assange, etc talk about priorities!

Cos no one gives afuck about Andy Newman.

 

[andy2002]

Molly's arrest made it onto Al Jazeera so mission accomplished!

www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/18/molly-crabapple-gets-out-of-jail-gets-on-al-jazeera/

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Molly's arrest made it onto Al Jazeera so mission accomplished!

www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/18/molly-crabapple-gets-out-of-jail-gets-on-al-jazeera/

And the whole affair was covered by Bleeding Cool (that well known cutting edge political news machine comic website) run by her mate from a 3/4 £million house in Kingston.

 

[rekil]

A drawing of a pig-faced octopus in a police hat dropping ripped cardigan clad foxes in a cage or something.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

A drawing of a pig-faced octopus in a police hat dropping ripped cardigan clad foxes in a cage or something.

With Laura looking down on the scene from a fluffy cloud wielding The Great Red Pen Of Justice

 

[rekil]

With Laura looking down from a fluffy cloud wielding The Great Red Pen Of Justice

Running away with wee whirring roadrunner feet more like.

 

[redsquirrel]

Not Laurie related (though I'd lay good money on her being a major fan) but Amanda Palmer is another rich "creative" who doesn't believe in paying the people working with/for her either.

Response from Albini here.

 

[butchersapron]

In an excellent earlier blog post on the New York Times, Daniel J. Wakin talked to Palmer, who said:

“If you could see the enthusiasm of these people, the argument would become invalid. They’re all incredibly happy to be here.”

That plonker grit on the suicides at Foxconn in China:

Not to mention the fact that Chinese workers are lining up down the street to work there.

 

[Lo Siento.]

That plonker grit on the suicides at Foxconn in China:

People lined up for Ford's 5-dollar day too...

 

[articul8]

Only vaguely related to this thread, but I'm enjoying the Facebook spat between Gopal "pompous windbag" Balakrishnan and Richard "truly hopeless" Seymour

 

[redsquirrel]

People lined up for Ford's 5-dollar day too...

But that's their choice Lo Siento, who are we to stand in their way if that's what they chose to do.

YOU HAVE TO LET ARTISTS MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT HOW THEY SHARE THEIR TALENT AND TIME.
especially in this day and age, it’s becoming more and more essential that artists allow each other space to figure out their own systems.
the minute YOU make black and white rules about how other artists should value their own art and time, you disempower them.
anyone is allowed to crowdfund a record. and anyone is allowed to crowdsource a musician. or a pair of socks. or a place to crash. or a meal. anyone. the band at the local pub can do it, i can do it, tom waits can do it, and justin bieber can do it (his fans would FLIP to be up on that stage making music with him. i’m imagining a crowdsourced belieber playing violin on “boyfriend” right now and loving the image, truly. it’s also fun to think of tom waits wearing fan-knit-socks.)
i could ramble on about my million-dollar Kickstarter and where that million dollars actually went (actually, i already did that, in a blog over

here​

)…and i could tell you that i wish i had enough money to hire a second tour bus and put eight full-time musicians on salaries. but the funny thing is: i actually don’t. i don’t wish that. not right now.
because this isn’t about money. for me, this is about freedom. and about choices.

 

[love detective]

this isn’t about money. for me, this is about freedom. and about choices.

no doubt you have a fair old amount of freedom & choice when you've got a million dollars to spunk

 

[redsquirrel]

I think we should have a thread naming and shaming all these pricks who want people to work for them simply for the chance to be in their presence. Kind of like the celebrity scabwatch thread (also surely that could do with a bit of updating, there must be twats in South Africa and Chicago that we can add to it).

 

[belboid]

Not Laurie related (though I'd lay good money on her being a major fan) but Amanda Palmer is another rich "creative" who doesn't believe in paying the people working with/for her either.

Response from Albini here.

Albini was wrong. She's not an idiot, she's a thief.

 

[articul8]

a thieving idiot?

 

[butchersapron]

Taking money off others and spending it on the better off to get them to give you more money - how fitting for the times:

Supporters stood to gain much more than just a CD – the more they pledged, the closer they got to Palmer, the biggest spenders being personally rewarded with house parties, makeovers and portraiture.

And put some fucking clothes on.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Amanda is married to Warren Ellis's mate Neil Gaiman who is also a millionaire and of course Ellis is one of Laurie's biggest cheer leaders.

 

[DotCommunist]

so thats why all gaimans lead males end up with kooky women

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Taking money off others and spending it on the better off to get them to give you more money - how fitting for the times:



And put some fucking clothes on.

I made the mistake of looking at her chosen 13 albums; the prose that went with them made even the ok choices seem wretched.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

I made the mistake of looking at her chosen 13 albums; the prose that went with them made even the ok choices seem wretched.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Yes, some bland choices and no insight into why she likes them, what they mean and so on. I read that a few weeks ago and gave her the benefit of the doubt on the basis that her old band were named after a fall song - turns out they weren't and dresden dolls are a real thing.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

so thats why all gaimans lead males end up with kooky women

They are all Mary Sues or whatever the male equivelant is - he is one of the worst offenders for that.

 

[treelover]

Because treelover doesn't do stuff, treelover asks why others don't do what treelover thinks is a great idea.

And when in doubt, treelover leaves an ellipsis hanging in the air to denote something of great gnostic significance...

There are very good reasons why 'treelover' doesn't do the things he asks of others...

 

[treelover]

Cos no one gives afuck about Andy Newman.

Good, so why give a fuck about Laura?

 

[Random]

There are very good reasons why 'treelover' doesn't do the things he asks of others...

he's talking about your choice of threads to start and to post in...

 

[Random]

Good, so why give a fuck about Laura?

She's in mainstream newspapers, she is amusing, she's had a fight with David Starkey.

 

[chilango]

Good, so why give a fuck about Laura?

'Cos she's a bit harder to avoid when she is claiming to be "my voice".