Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Does anyone actually have a reasoned criticism of the mag's politics, rather than this half-arsed pseduo-sociological shit. Engels was a factory owner, Marx married into the aristocracy. SO fucking what?
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
I wouldn't say that marx married into the aristocracy more like his wfe married out of it. They hardly lived the life of riley (although an anarchist mate of mine claimed that marx being able to afford pen and paper made him a rich cunt!). Mind you i quite like red pepper.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
I'm not a marxist to be fair.
Kid_Eternity
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TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
no chance mate.
penny's been rumbled lying about porn (again...)
a NS sub ed attempts to take the heat, but with her previous record...
(comments by anna span and then helen L-H on the article - the original text has been changed...)
a NS sub ed attempts to take the heat, but with her previous record...
(comments by anna span and then helen L-H on the article - the original text has been changed...)
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Hmmm it is very possible this was an editorial fuck up...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Well that's the thing, those that don't like her will think the worst of her at every turn...
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
That's fair comment but, that said, she does seem to have acquired a reputation for gilding the lily with regard to her personal experiences and that won't help her case at all. Neither will the fact that she claims to have met and spoken to Anna Span when Span herself says she didn't even attend this particular event. On the balance of probability (one of them seems to be lying) I'd be inclined to say that Penny, especially with her previous record, has either cooked up another porkie or has been so unprofessional in her conduct as a journalist that she thinks she met someone and didn't even check to make sure precisely who it was.
Personally, I'm not the least bit interested in attacking Penny because she's a woman, or because she's a feminist or any of that. I do, however, have a marked dislike for slack, lazy and (possibly) outright fabricated journalism. If she wants to be taken seriously as a journalist then she's going to have to do better than she has been of late and bouncing from one accusation of outright dishonesty and/or incompetence to another isn't going to do her any favours at all.
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
I think the Anna Span thing was probably an honest mistake but the most glaring inaccuracy in her piece is when she says the SHAFTAs are the 'the porn industry's annual awards ceremony'
I dunno if the UK porn industry actually has an annual awards ceremony but the SHAFTA awards are run by Television X and based exclusively on their programmes. -more of a TVX promo party really and the fact she doesn't seem to realise this makes me doubt the credibility of anything else she says in that article
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
She is right about how joyless a great deal of porn looks though. And I'm not even asking for grand passion, just the sense that the people involved might be enjoying themselves.
She is a crap journalist and one I'd rather outside of the tent pissing rather than inside, but she has a point there.
She is a crap journalist and one I'd rather outside of the tent pissing rather than inside, but she has a point there.
discokermit
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she's in her own tent, pissing on her shoes.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Fair's fair, I'd agree that most porn looks as though they'd rather be anywhere else but doing what they're doing on film. Can't argue with her about that.
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
depends, I think most Brit-porn (which is what our Penny would have seen at the SHAFTAs) looks like the performers are having a much better time than us who are watching What I disliked about LP's article was that it was so full of lazy stereotypes and sensationalism -
spraytan and crystals
bloodstained tissues strewn around the sinks in the toilets
ffs..
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What makes you think it was an honest mistake?
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
I believe it was just a mistake by the New Statesman sub editor. She can't be that silly as to lie about meeting Anna Span at this party, she must have realised that Anna would eventually get round to reading it and kick up a fuss (which is what indeed happened) No body could be that clueless surely?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How could the 'mistake' have possibly happened? I can't work out any possible way that a sub just decided to put in that the writer met someone.
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
I must admit it is odd. I have'nt seen the orginal piece tho, just the re-edited version.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Agreed it's an obvious lie
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
An obvious lie proven by what evidence?
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Who said anything about proof, I believe it to be a lie for the reason BA outlined above, I don't see what form of words she could have written that could be changed by a sub get the result that was printed.
Rather than just admit it they played a shitty excuse - "it was some nameless subs fault", that's about as original as the homework being eaten by a dog.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Do you know her or something KE?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Heh I've seen some strange edits done to people's articles in my time...
Met her once long before she became famous. But that isn't really my point, just like to question assertions and assumptions directed at those that provoke controversy...
Kid_Eternity
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