Al Qaeda a myth says Russian
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no, you are. i raised several instances of official reports which disproved your allegation that people who write shit ruin their careers. yet you've chosen to concentrate on the one instance of journalism i put in, to show that the media - who mediate between events and the general public - are also often enough immune from the sort of come back you seem to believe is the rule.editor said:So why did you bring up the comparison with the Sun's coverage of Hillsborough then?
Or are you just doing your best to disrupt this thread with irrelevancies?
Don't put words in my mouth - I simply stated that it's highly unlikely that all 200 have read every single page of a 10,000 page report.editor said:
My reasons for arriving at this are that NIST is inherrently tied to the NSA and it's unlikley in an ivestigation of this size and sensitivity, in a country that has grown in it's paranoia so greatly since, that everyone would receive top level clearance.
Also, the vast majority of the released report concentrates on how future building projects would allow more people to survive, safety protocols etc. There's very little content on the questions some of us would really like answered. If this is indeed supposed to represent a full investigation then one can only presume that the answers remain in the classified portion.
editor
hiraethified
No, you didn't say that at all. You were asserting that most of the 200 experts haven't seen the whole thing.Jangla said:
"Most".
But if there was an enormous cover up going on, it's highly likely that a substantial amount of people involved in the research would have noticed it, wouldn't you say?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
first bit i thought of.editor said:
could have mentioned stuff about anarchists and mayday, or iraq and wmd, or the former yugoslavia and genocide, or a thousand different things.
anyway, given the official reports i've mentioned which have reached conclusions greatly at variance with the facts, do you still believe that anyone tasked to write an official report which is filled with crap necessarily ruins their career?
editor
hiraethified
Perhaps you should think a little bit more before jumping in with your tedious, off topic point scoring, next time?Pickman's model said:
And to answer your tedious nitpicking point, I was referring to almeria's specific , individual case about someone who had "doubled their fee" writing a wildly inaccurate report in a business environment that was exposed to be bullshit.
I made no all-embracing claims that every single person on this planet who "who wrote shit would ruin their careers.
I trust that gives a pleasing reading on the Pickman's Pedant-o-Meter.
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Backatcha Bandit
is not taking your calls
Jangla said:
From New York Architect John Young:
I'm fairly confident that if John doesn't feel NIST are living up to their promises, he'll keep us updated (via cryptome.org).
Interesting BBC article from 30/9/02:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2288689.stm
editor said:
I won't argue semantics with you. The point I was making was that not every expert will have read it all due to the sensitivity of the report and involvement of the NSA. It's reasonable to assume that the organisational structure of the investigation team was hierarchical and therefore a very small percentage of the total work force will be top level and have the total clearance that goes with it.
editor said:
Why? If you're an engineer with low level clearance and you're asked to investigate, say, the melting temp. of construction steel, why would you have any visibility of the bigger picture and how your results fit with that? Why would you need it? You perform the task at hand, present you results and go home. No coverup needed. You don't have clearance so awkward questions are simply ignored.
"Need to know" stuff goes on everyday in even the smallest businesses - why is it so hard to conceive that this may well also be going on in the upper eschalons of government?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i wondered how soon a dreary moan and a massive wriggle would appear.editor said:Perhaps you should think a little bit more before jumping in with your tedious, off topic point scoring, next time?
And to answer your tedious nitpicking point, I was referring to almeria's specific , individual case about someone who had "doubled their fee" writing a wildly inaccurate report in a business environment that was exposed to be bullshit.
I made no all-embracing claims that every single person on this planet who "who wrote shit would ruin their careers.
I trust that gives a pleasing reading on the Pickman's Pedant-o-Meter.
so what should happen to governments publishing documents purporting to be the truth yet riddled with lies - and whose authors go on to prosper instead of being held to account?
Backatcha Bandit
is not taking your calls
Just for clarification - what is the source for the '10,000 pages' / '3,400 pages' / '200 experts' / '2.5 years' figures?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this thread started off as a perfectly reasonable discussion about the nature of al qaeda - whether it was as big a threat as governments make it out to be. articles in the spectator recently, among other magazines, indicate that it isn't. yet, after 730-something posts it's back to the good old conspiracy theory. i have 26 posts on this thread, you have 133 - almost 19%. if it's moved from a reasonable discussion of a reasonable topic to a discussion of a barking topic, i suspect someone who's submitted about one post in five on this thread's more likely than me to have derailed it.editor said:
editor said:
You made your own claims and then assumed they were my position.
Relevance to you, not to me. Why the fuck should i answer your own claims? Sort yourself out man. I mean, you make a claim all of your own, then ask me to provide evidence for it!!!! And then do it again and again. It's truly unbelievable.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
fela fan said:
Oh didn't you?
nino_savatte said:
Oh nino, read it again, i told you to read it again. Look here it is again:
"Of course i fucking don't, i'm not thai. If, as i'd very much like to, i spoke out about them, then i'd either be shot dead or put on a plane straight back to britain."
It is an 'if', not a what i actually did.
Your english language skills are clearly not up to the mark. Which might explain all your misreadings and misunderstandings of what i post up.
In case it helps, delete the clause between the commas starting from 'as' and ending before 'i'.
Oh well.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
fela fan said:
You're a patronising cunt aren't you?
editor
hiraethified
It's called discussion. I ask a question on a topic related to something you've just said, and then you answer it with your opinion on the subject.fela fan said:
But it's clear you're too dishonest to actually engage the debate, so you keep on wriggling away from those awkward questions.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
fela fan said:
Aye, get it down yer.
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