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The Al-Qaeda Cell that never officially existed

I called the Press Office of the West Midlands Police. The woman who answered knew immediately what I was referring to, although she apparently did not know of the Daily Jang article, nor of urban75. She confirmed very confidently that there had been a "security alert" at the hotel, and that some "articles had been taken away" that they thought appeared "relevant in the context of the time", but that "later this proved absolutely not to be the case." Then we got suddenly cut off.

I could pursue it further but would rather not. If anyone else wants to it's up to them.
 
Sorry to have come to this late but I was interested in the story. I don't know the poster at all. Having read it, this is not journalism!

Some people have already pointed out glaring problems with the story. Here are a few more.

1. "a huge cache of Al-Qaeda material"

No proof of any Al Qaeda link in the article. This is a story that starts with a conspiracy theory and then elaborates.

2. "Mr Burki, the hotel manager who unearthed the find, was warned that his life was in danger"

By whom?

3. "His account is corroborated by other hotel staff."

None are named or quoted. None are said to have witnessed any of the events or seen the "cache".

4. "In early 2005, two men arrived and rented rooms at the Hotel. A Spanish man took room 3, on the ground floor. He claimed to work for 'an American agency'. James Dwayer, thought to be Irish, took room 12 on the first floor. He was thought to work as a driver."

Were they in any way connected? Did they leave contact details? Car details (this can be traced)

5. "They brought much luggage with them, and refused all offers to assist in carrying it. More curiously, they also did not allow hotel staff into their room, cleaning sheets themselves."

What kind of hotel is this? Mr Barki would have demanded the right to access or at least gone in for a sneaky look before July.

6. "Then, by early July, they both left, saying they would return and that cheques would be sent for the rent in the meantime."

How many hotels allow you to stay for several months and then leave without paying? Did they pay deposits? If so, we may have bank details to go on.

7. "They gave firm instructions that no-one was to go into their rooms."

Er, sorry, this is a hotel.

8. "The Spaniard was first to leave, at the end of June. He was overheard asking Dwayer to ring his girlfriend in Spain were something to happen to him. Dwayer left a few days later – having rung the girlfriend to check he was alright."

Who overheard the Spaniard, who overheard Dwayer ringing the girlfriend? How?

9. “I saw papers with the words ‘Osama Bin Laden’ – large letters… ‘Attack London’… ‘Attack Paris’…”. Amongst the documents were instructions on attacking trains, and airplanes, a map of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and many terrorist-related books.

This crack terrorist cell had left 15 bags of incriminating evidence in a hotel room for at least a week before the London bombings.

10. "Other items included electronic equipment"

CD player? iPod?

11. "a possible explosive substance"

I think we need a bit more here. Semtex? Gelignite? Sticks of dynamite?

12. "a large knife, with dried bloodstains, wrapped in cotton wool"

What possible use would this be to a terrorist cell?

13. "And not least, a colossal sum of sterling."

Not so, say the police. I've just rung them.

14. "Mr Burki then went to Ladywood Police Station. He found an officer that he recognised, who accompanied him back."

Name of policeman?

15. "A bizarre car accident then took place, a head-on collision involving a jeep and another car right outside the hotel – but with many police around, the drivers simply walked away."

Who says?

16. "Abbas Malik, a journalist friend of Mr Burki’s, had his camera confiscated."

How did he arrive at the scene if people were being told not to call? Did he get the camera back? If Mr Barki had the presence of mind to call a journalist, why not a lawyer?

17. "A BBC journalist who arrived and took a picture of the car crash was ordered away."

How did this journalist know about the incident - and why take a pic of the car crash? It's not unknown for BBC on-line journalists to arrive with still cameras now but on a big story like this a news crew would have been sent down with a reporter.

18. "The police then set about sealing the terror stash in white evidence bags and removing it from the hotel."

Who knows this? Nobody quoted.

19. "Eventually, after maybe six hours outside, the hotel staff and guests were allowed to return inside."

In the days after the London bombings, this is credible but doesn't prove there was a real threat.

20. "Barki was asked to sign a blank sheet of paper, a request he reluctantly complied with."

Why? Why did he not call a lawyer at some point?

21. "During the next few days, the plain-clothes police returned, with statements for Mr Burki to sign. “Each day they came, and each time it was different,” he said of the changing statements. They warned that his life was in danger, that he should keep silent, and report anyone who came snooping around."

Again, names of police officers. There's only a DC Wong listed on the initial sheet.

22. "Mr Burki has a relative who received the Victoria Cross for fighting on behalf of the British, and cannot conceive that fellow muslims from the subcontinent could be responsible for Al-Qaeda terror against British citizens."

Well, they were.

23. "It is hard to say what was intended to happen before Mr. Burki uncovered the hoard."

So don't try.

24. "One possibility is that it was left there to be discovered, to be blamed on hotel staff."

Why? How would it be blamed on hotel staff?

25. "It may have been crucial to Mr. Burki's own protection that he went in person to fetch a uniformed officer to witness the find."

Again speculation.

26. "An enquiry to West Midlands Police Press Office was able to confirm only that 'suspicious material' had been seized."

Not what they're saying now.

It's clear that the Counter-Terrorist Support Unit did get involved in this - not surprisingly so soon after the London bombings - but there's no evidence to show that there was anything of note found.
 
In answer to niclas' points;

1. I have written the article from the point of view that Mr Burki is giving a truthful account, which I very much believe he is. And if so, the term 'Al-Qaeda' describes the seized cache far better than many examples where the media bandies it around like confetti, say with the incredible discovery of bags of fertiliser in a lock up, or of the asylum seekers' plan to blow up Old Trafford. There are many other examples! Is it then proper journalism with regard to Al-Qaeda to blindly accept the whispers of police officers and politicians? If so, well I'm happy leaving that to the 'professionals'. The very existence of the organisation is even questioned by intelligence analysts. My use of the term here is not in refute of that question, but in regard to public conception.

2. He was warned that his life was in danger by one of the CTSU officers who provided statements for him. Possibly DC Wong, though there was another plain clothes officer also.

3. Other corroborating sources who witnessed the cache are not named in accordance with their wishes. However, Abbas Malik was there, and we have the Daily Jang article.

4, 6. They appeared to be associates. I know that Mr Burki had cheques which arrived to pay rent (I think covering both rooms), and provided the details to the police. I don't know if he had further leads.

5, 7. It helps understand the nature of the hotel to stay the night there. Much of the hotel's trade came from council referrals of homeless people, also the police statement mentions people on bail. Mr Burki's command of English is not fantastic. After the incident, the council referrals stopped.

8. I cannot provide more detail on this aspect of the story.

12. Interesting question. If it was planted on you for the police to find you might be in a sticky situation.

13. If the police have specifically confirmed or denied any of the items listed I would be very interested to know exactly what they said.

14. This would be nice to know. As a postscript to the story, this policeman returned to the hotel, having been sacked, to warn Mr Burki to be careful.

15. Mr Burki.

16. I believe Abbas Malik was called early on, before the CTSU arrived. I wouldn't blame Mr Burki for not calling a lawyer, sensible though that may have been with the benefit of hindsight.

17. I cannot say for certain; presumbaly alerted either by Mr Malik, or the uniformed police officer first at the scene.

18. The story is taken from the testimony of Mr Burki (and other unnamed sources).

19. Whether there was a real threat or not doesn't appear to be the issue. It would seem the evacuation of the hotel was to control the scene, and the car crash a misdirection for the subsequent road-sealing.

20. Again, this is something that is easy to say with the benefit of hindsight

21. Perhaps you would like to demonstrate your investigative abilities by obtaining the names of the police officers at the scene.

22. I'm not so sure.

23, 24. I'm not sure that this was the idea, but there could have certainly been a very convincing 'terror swoop'; muslim hotel - unoccuppied rooms - Al-Qaeda stash. Again, remember the previous such swoops that get trumpeted in the media based on absolutely nothing at all.

25. Yes, hence the word 'may'.

26. Seems to be in accordance with what they are saying now, although their recent comments are interesting. Or have you heard that they seized 'unsuspicious material'? Would seem a strange thing to do.

Last point - well that's the idea of a cover-up operation, to remove any hard evidence and play down the whole thing. The CTSU have appeared to show no interest in doing anything else.
 
Is there an opposite of "conspiraloon"? Someone who believes that they will never hear a falsehood from a public official? A "crediloon"?

So, we've managed to establish: there was a real Mr. Burki, who was not "our imaginary hotel manager", and there is a real Mr. Malik, who is not an "imaginary journalist". The police did come to the hotel and take some stuff away that was on the face of it related to Islamic terrorism. The police now say it wasn't. From the reports, the material is too obvious and definitely fake. So there was a fake terrorist scare here.

What is odd, is that everyone involved is trying to keep very mum about it. They don't just laugh and say, "Yeah, that was a bit crazy." Even the police are keen not to say more than they have to. It could be part of an ongoing investigation into something else. Someone must have put the stuff there for some reason. And they must have expected it to be found there, surely. Leaving stuff in your hotel room while you wander off for a month is not exactly secure.

- perhaps some inept attempt to set up Mr. Burki by a business rival - but it seems a very expensive way to do it, considering.

- perhaps a practical joke or windup - still very expensive.

- perhaps some crooks were stashing something, and the terrorist material was a pathetic attempt to mislead: but why in a down-and-out hotel and not in an anonymous warehouse?

- perhaps an honest mistake, and there was nothing on reflection that was even trying to appear to be terrorist-related? Odd though: if it's true that several people in the hotel saw the material, and can confirm it, you would have to say it was part of an inept attempt to mislead people into thinking there was a terrorist connection here.

What spooks me, after editor dared me to investigate it myself, is that nobody wants to talk about it. Everyone's been scared off, and that sort of scares me off a bit too. Very peculiar.

If people here hadn't ranted so vociferously and intensely against it, I would have just passed it by as a curiousity. Now it's something creepy and disturbing once I've looked into it.
 
PrinceToad said:
What spooks me, after editor dared me to investigate it myself, is that nobody wants to talk about it. Everyone's been scared off, and that sort of scares me off a bit too. Very peculiar.
Strange. I count 65 posts in this thread with people free to post up whatever they like.

Jazzz certainly hasn't reported being "scared off".

In fact, he was free to waltz up to Birmingham to (ahem) "investigate" this case and talk to whoever he liked, write whatever he liked and post it wherever he liked.

And I - as publisher - certainly haven't been "scared of" - his yarn is still here for all to see - so who are you talking about?
 
PrinceToad said:
If people here hadn't ranted so vociferously and intensely against it, I would have just passed it by as a curiousity. Now it's something creepy and disturbing once I've looked into it.
It's simply a very long-winded case of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, except without an actual wolf. The particular poster in question has a spectacular record of posting these ill-conceived claims, and of course it is after all the internet.
 
PrinceToad said:
If people here hadn't ranted so vociferously and intensely against it, I would have just passed it by as a curiousity. Now it's something creepy and disturbing once I've looked into it.

As they say imagination mirrors real life, go for it, give it all you have to uncover the truth.
 
mauvais mangue said:
If I was in al-Qaeda and going to blow up Paris & London, I'd definitely carry around a big bumper book with the cover title 'al-Qaeda: How to blow up Paris & London'.

FridgeMagnet said:
"Attack London", "Attack Paris"? "Many terrorist-related books"? A big knife with blood on it? (Presumably imported straight from hacking off some guy's head in Iraq.) It's pretty much the entire checklist of Stuff That One Would Want To Find On Terrorists. It makes flight manuals and indestructible passports sound positively believable. One would want evidence from other people who'd seen the stuff, really, that would seem the minimum. You did ask other people apart from him, right?

:D :D :D :p

The sad thing is that Jazzz doesn't even realise how utterly implausible and incredible this stuff looks to any rational person ...
 
http://home.freeuk.com/longdog/jazzz/Mr.Barki.jpg

Jazzzz, don't you feel like you are scraping the barrel slightly on some of your stories. Guy in pub tells you that it is inconceivable for Islamics to kill each other, because they are like some kind of siamese with spiritual powers.

Now don't get me wrong. Your source looks reliable, as you can see from the photee above, but, really there is no proof is there. I don't think your a loony or a liar, but I believe you to being a naive fantasist.

Whatever, your funny.
 
mauvais mangue said:
Mr Burki has a lot of phones doesn't he? At least six in this picture alone. Alarmingly, one of them is missing!
Why's he got his camcorder out?

And - why he's got one of those fake "9/11" banknotes and a copy of the conspiraloon "Confronting the Evidence" 9/11 fruitloop DVD under his phone?
 
editor said:
And - why he's got one of those fake "9/11" banknotes and a copy of the conspiraloon "Confronting the Evidence" 9/11 fruitloop DVD under his phone?
Oh yeah! I was wondering what that was. Interesting implications...
 
editor said:
Why's he got his camcorder out?

And - why he's got one of those fake "9/11" banknotes and a copy of the conspiraloon "Confronting the Evidence" 9/11 fruitloop DVD under his phone?
The answer to that one is very simple - I gave him the DVD, Nick gave him the banknote.
 
William of Walworth said:
:D :D :D :p

The sad thing is that Jazzz doesn't even realise how utterly implausible and incredible this stuff looks to any rational person ...
On the contrary William, I'm very much aware of exactly how fantastic it appears. It is precisely for that reason that they can get away with it.
 
Jazzz said:
On the contrary William, I'm very much aware of exactly how fantastic it appears. It is precisely for that reason that they can get away with it.
Gotcha! So "they" manufacture truly outrageous 'fantastic' stories to make it easier for them to get away with their dastardly plans, yes?

So all the "attack London" stuff was actually planted there to make the story seem all the more ridiculous?

Fantastic stuff, jazzz!
 
Jazzz said:
The answer to that one is very simple - I gave him the DVD, Nick gave him the banknote.
And how does dishing out wildly biased, conspiraloon freebies to your 'star' witness help you find the truth?
 
editor said:
... being "scared off"
....who are you talking about?
It is strange that Mr. Burki and Mr. Malik and so on, simply refuse to talk about it. If they were trying to create a conspiracy theory, they would be keen to tell us all about it, presumably. If they were trying to quell one, they would be denying it all vociferously. They are just being mum, although, under enough pressure they did tell me enough to see that Jazzz was largely telling the truth as far as his facts went. This doesn't mean I necessarily agree with Jazzz's interpretation though.

Then the police corroborated the basic substance. They are being very cagey about what they reveal too, which is even odder.

In fact, I find it hard to work out any plausible explanation of what happened here, now that we've managed to dismiss the "imaginary hotel" and "imaginary journalist" theory that mauvais mangue and editor originally posited.

Originally we had Jazzz's "fake al-qaeda cell" conspiracy versus mm's and editor's "Jazzz invented the facts" conspiracy. The second of these has been shown to be false. The first hasn't been shown to be true - to my mind at least. What the truth is, I don't know. And I don't care how many conspiracies Jazzz has ever posted in the past, as they are not relevant to this one particular case.

Post 65

Edit to add: yes, it does look like someone tried ineptly to "fake" an Islamic terrorist cell. It's hard to say who or why.
 
PrinceToad said:
It is strange that Mr. Burki and Mr. Malik and so on, simply refuse to talk about it. If they were trying to create a conspiracy theory, they would be keen to tell us all about it, presumably. If they were trying to quell one, they would be denying it all vociferously. They are just being mum, although, under enough pressure they did tell me enough to see that Jazzz was largely telling the truth as far as his facts went.
Great logic!

So if a busy guy running a hotel refuses to talk to insistent conspiraloons who bother him with endless calls, questions, personal visits, take his picture (and slap it on the web seemingly without his approval) and shove conspiraloon material into his hand, then that's proof that there's a wildly improbable tale must be true!

Priceless!

Ever heard of evidence?
 
editor said:
Ever heard of evidence?
Yes, and I got him to confirm the basic evidence that you were denying earlier in this thread, including his existence -- as I said on page three. I'm not sure why you are so angry and defensive.

What, personally, got you angry here? Why were you, personally, affronted? Why did you feel the need to reply to a perfectly reasonable series of posts with personal abuse aimed at me?

edited to add: I am now personally affronted by the personal abuse you have poured on me after challenging me to look into it, and I did. I hate to have to repeat myself insistently to mindless trolls who deny what they posted and try to twist every thread off its topic: even if they are supposed to be moderators. However, as said, I did get confirmation eventually that, despite your denials that it would be possible: everyone did in fact exist, and that the material that was seized did on the surface appear as stated: shallow fake evidence of Islamic terrorism. I think that is most of the evidence that you were attempting to deny.

Would you care to address the topic, instead of posting mindless pointless abuse? Or is perhaps the personal abuse the point you are trying to make? If so, why?
 
PrinceToad said:
Yes, and I got him to confirm the basic evidence that you were denying earlier in this thread, including his existence -- as I said on page three. I'm not sure why you are so angry and defensive. What, personally, gets you angry here? Why are you, personally, affronted?
Blimey. You're a little bit uppity.

Take off your conspiraloon googles and you'll see that there's still not a scrap of
evidence to support any of jazzz's barking claims here. Nothing.

Still, if you feel the need to believe such fact-free fantasies, off you go!

Oh, and I'm not angry. This thread has given me endless amusement.
:D :D :D
 
PrinceToad said:
You are an incorrigible little troll, aren't you??
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word.

So do you agree with Jazzz's interpretation or not? No need to wriggle with a politician's answer - a simple yes or no will do!

And have you posted here under a different name before, btw?
 
PrinceToad said:
No. And you call me the conspiracy theorist: and I haven't even put forward a theory.
Do you believe there was a conspiracy surrounding 9/11, 7th July or this yarn?
 
Well, someone must have put the fake terror cell evidence in the hotel, which we've established did actually exist. (See previous page.)
What their motive was, I don't really know. I don't know why admitting that I don't know is a wriggle, but then any stick is I suppose good enough for you to beat a horse with.
 
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