Al Qaeda a myth says Russian

[fela fan]

That isn't true, there are investigative journalists working in the 'field'. Ever heard of Greg Palast?

What newspaper does he write for?

You're either deliberately ignoring the thrust of my argument, or being a bit pedantic. Which is that such a mammoth event, such history-shaking stuff is being virtually totally ignored by the popular media in the country where it took place.

And in britain, the 52nd state.

 

[nino_savatte]

I did not contradict myself. I was differentiating between the individual and the general public that constitutes a nation.

You might not accept any blame, but plenty in the world will blame you. Coz you are british in their eyes, not nino.

You're something of a flip-flopper fela, presumably this is an attempt to extricate yourself from the car wreck of a reply that you sent me. It's too late mate. I seriously do not believe people will point the finger ans say"all Britons are guilty of war crimes because they live under Blair". It's bollocks and it's patronising shite.

Crappy generalisations and hollow rhetoric.

 

[fela fan]

That's convenient. So you don't take responsibility for anything.

Where did you get that idea from?

I take responsibility for two things: for myself, and for being british. If a citizen from another country tells me i am to blame for the illegal invasion in iraq by my country, than i accept that blame.

 

[nino_savatte]

What newspaper does he write for?

You're either deliberately ignoring the thrust of my argument, or being a bit pedantic. Which is that such a mammoth event, such history-shaking stuff is being virtually totally ignored by the popular media in the country where it took place.

And in britain, the 52nd state.

So you've never heard of him then. I always thought you had your fingewr on the pulse too, fela. or at least this is what you led us all to believe.

Doesn't Pilger count as an investigative journalist? I think he does.

 

[fela fan]

Don't bullshit me. Your implication is clear.

But I'll let you spell it out. Why do you think it is "not a single investigative reporter from the US or UK" has taken up the 9/11 conspiracy yarns?

Why did you mention "beatings" when asked about the integrity of the WTC report?

Do you have any evidence at all that there is anything untoward about the report?

Implications eh?

As for 'beatings', you've not read my post fully, i suggest you try again. I made it context-free while saying that your actions would depend on the specific context. I talked hypothetically, but you've chose to selectively quote from my post. Try again having read it properly.

I've said nowhere what my reaction is to this report, so of course i have no fucking 'evidence' about anything.

It's you making all the claims here, which can only be correct if you've read the full 10,000 pages. But you haven't... oh well, let's leave it at that eh.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Where did you get that idea from?

I take responsibility for two things: for myself, and for being british. If a citizen from another country tells me i am to blame for the illegal invasion in iraq by my country, than i accept that blame.

So you share the blame with the British people?

 

[fela fan]

So you've never heard of him then. I always thought you had your fingewr on the pulse too, fela. or at least this is what you led us all to believe.

Doesn't Pilger count as an investigative journalist? I think he does.

Of course i've heard of him, but only on web sites. I'll ask again, perhaps you might deign to provide me a direct answer this time instead of trying to second guess me: what newspaper does he write for?

Yes pilger, one of the very finest reporters ever, does count. What's your point (assuming you have read my post clarifying the thrust of my argument)?

 

[fela fan]

I always thought you had your fingewr on the pulse too, fela. or at least this is what you led us all to believe.

Hey, don't you go shifting your responsibilities onto me. I haven't led you to believe anything at all. Are you really that powerless in the face of fela fan?

I post on this web site, and you can do exactly what you want with what i post. But to blame me for your reactions to my posts is really quite incredible.

And you said you were a teacher???

 

[editor]

Implications eh?

As for 'beatings', you've not read my post fully, i suggest you try again. I made it context-free while saying that your actions would depend on the specific context. I talked hypothetically, but you've chose to selectively quote from my post. Try again having read it properly.

I've said nowhere what my reaction is to this report, so of course i have no fucking 'evidence' about anything.

Why do you think "not a single investigative reporter from the US or UK" has taken up the 9/11 conspiracy yarns?

Is it because:
1. They think that bonkers yarns about invisible missiles and self-imploding towers are the stuff of bedroom fruitloops?
2. They've been scared off by the evil conspirators who will crush anyone daring to question any element of the events of the day?

 

[fela fan]

So you share the blame with the British people?

Have i not made it clear already?

For me the individual i don't take blame. For me as a british person, i accept blame (or praise) for whatever my country does.

In my life i also get the opportunity to spread a good word on behalf of british people through my actions, or to give my country a bad name.

So is that nice and clear now fridge?

 

[editor]

In my life i also get the opportunity to spread a good word on behalf of british people through my actions, or to give my country a bad name.

I can't tell you how truly grateful the British people are for your selfless actions.

 

[fela fan]

Why do you think "not a single investigative reporter from the US or UK" has taken up the 9/11 conspiracy yarns?

Is it because:
1. They think that bonkers yarns about invisible missiles and self-imploding towers are the stuff of bedroom fruitloops?
2. They've been scared off by the evil conspirators who will crush anyone daring to question any element of the events of the day?

If you wanna make claims, then you bloody answer them, don't expect me to.

 

[fela fan]

I can't tell you how truly grateful the British people are for your selfless actions.

Hey, well observed, off course you can't, you're just one person. How on earth could you speak for the whole nation? Unless you're one tony blair...

 

[nino_savatte]

Hey, don't you go shifting your responsibilities onto me. I haven't led you to believe anything at all. Are you really that powerless in the face of fela fan?

I post on this web site, and you can do exactly what you want with what i post. But to blame me for your reactions to my posts is really quite incredible.

And you said you were a teacher???

You're a slippery one aren't you? I think it's you who is attempting to abdicate responsibility here not me. FYI, I am not a teacher, I am a lecturer in FE (Further Education) and currently off work. Not that this is relevant.

"Powerless in the face of fela fan"? Hardly, more like "laughing in the face of fela fan".

 

[fela fan]

You're a slippery one aren't you? I think it's you who is attempting to abdicate responsibility here not me. FYI, I am not a teacher, I am a lecturer in FE (Further Education) and currently off work. Not that this is relevant.

"Powerless in the face of fela fan"? Hardly, more like "laughing in the face of fela fan".

Laugh away nino, laugh away, it's your life, you do what you want. I don't give a flying fuck either way.

Ta ta.

 

[nino_savatte]

Laugh away nino, laugh away, it's your life, you do what you want. I don't give a flying fuck either way.

Ta ta.

LOL!!!!! Aye, it is my life alright and I won't have anyone tell me that I am responsible for the deaths of others because I happen to live in the country where the leadership (not voted in by me) has taken a unilateral decision to go to war.

You say you spoke out against human rights abuses in Thailand and are therefore not responsible for that country's crimes. By the same logic, the same should apply to us but you somehow see it differently. Now why is that? Is it because you sit thousands of miles away - at a safe distance so to speak - where you can feel free to pass judgement on those of us who live here?

Talk about a conundrum wrapped in a puzzle and shaped by mystery.

 

[editor]

If you wanna make claims, then you bloody answer them, don't expect me to.

I've asked you relevant questions, based on your earlier comments.

Why can't you answer them?

 

[editor]

How on earth could you speak for the whole nation? Unless you're one tony blair...

You tell me: you're the person claiming to be spreading "a good word on behalf of british people", not me.

So who elected you spokesperson, fela?

 

[cynical_bastard]

Dan Quayle, notorious for speaking out about things that don't concern him, has never mentioned 9/11. Does he have something to hide?

 

[Jangla]

And seeing as 3,400 pages of the report has been made public, why do you think no other suitably qualified independent experts on the planet have noticed something that is apparently so obvious that unqualified home page authors can see it?

Because 60% of the document is classified? I'd be interested to know what level of classification the rest is under coz you can bet your ass that most of the 200 experts haven't seen the whole thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Then you'd kiss goodbye to your career if you were tasked with writing a report that was later exposed to be bullshit. And rightly so.

what about widgery's crap report into bloody sunday?

did the sun journos who wrote a pile of wank about hillsborough get sacked?

 

[Pickman's model]

or the inquiry into internment? i don't think the people who wrote that had their careers ruined.

 

[ill-informed]

poor old ff he makes a throwaway comment about the individuals that make up a society being partly responsible for the actions of that country and.....

 

[Pickman's model]

and that inquiry into kelly's death was a bit of a whitewash, too. but the judge (whose name i temporarily forget) in charge of that hasn't had his career ruined.

 

[editor]

I'd be interested to know what level of classification the rest is under coz you can bet your ass that most of the 200 experts haven't seen the whole thing.

Really? What are you basing that on?

 

[editor]

did the sun journos who wrote a pile of wank about hillsborough get sacked?

Don't know, but the paper was certainly punished by Liverpool's denizens and football fans elsewhere for years after and their vile reporting proved to be a PR disaster.

Not sure what a 16 year old tabloid article has to do with a recently published, 10,000 page scientific report authored by 200 experts though.

 

[Pickman's model]

just that they were tasked with writing a report which was later exposed as the tissue of lies it was.

 

[editor]

and that inquiry into kelly's death was a bit of a whitewash, too. but the judge (whose name i temporarily forget) in charge of that hasn't had his career ruined.

Err, he hasn;t got a career. Lord Hutton retired as a Law Lord on January 11, 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Hutton,_Baron_Hutton

 

[editor]

just that they were tasked with writing a report which was later exposed as the tissue of lies it was.

So The Sun were tasked with writing the official report into the Hillsborough disaster were they?

Jeez. Get a fucking grip.

 

[Pickman's model]

So The Sun were tasked with writing the official report into the Hillsborough disaster were they?

did i say that?

Jeez. Get a fucking grip.