8 dead after crowd surge at US festival

[Yuwipi Woman]

If I was on a stage, having been told of “a situation” then I would assume it had been deemed safe to carry on working until the voice of the stage manager in my ear told me to cut the sound/evac/whatever.

I've worked with earpieces at events and it can be really difficult to listen to the earpiece and do any other task. Most of the event earpiece traffic I've listened to was just people screwing around, instead of communicating anything of value.

 

[editor]

Being boiled alive would be worse.

Being set on fire is way better because your nerve endings get burned away. If you are boiled then they stay alert to the pain till your organs cook and fail.

Really inappropriate for this thread, mate.

 

[krtek a houby]

The needle spiking theory is doing the rounds. Are the cops trying to deflect?

Authorities investigating the deadly stampede on Friday night confirmed reports of “needle spiking” – an act similar to drink spiking, where people are pricked with a needle without their consent, which injects them with an unknown substance.

A security guard working at the festival was attempting to restrain someone during a scuffle when he felt a prick on his neck before losing consciousness, Houston Police Chief Troy Finner said

It’s possible the needle spiking was an isolated incident, with Chief Finner cautioning people to be wary of rumours.

“There are a lot of rumors on social media,” he said

Houston Police Have Confirmed Reports Of 'Needle Spiking' At Travis Scott's Astroworld Disaster

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I've worked with earpieces at events and it can be really difficult to listen to the earpiece and do any other task. Most of the event earpiece traffic I've listened to was just people screwing around, instead of communicating anything of value.

There’s a world of difference between the radios stewards get and the in ear systems used by performers and their tech crews.

 

[smmudge]

"I could never imagine anything like this ever happening...."

uh, huh.

Lawsuits incoming.

"We're working right now to identify the families so we can assist them at this tough time"

I.e. propose out of court settlements

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

"We're working right now to identify the families so we can assist them at this tough time"

I.e. propose out of court settlements

Yep. Any offer of "help" would come with the requirement that they sign a liability waiver.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There’s a world of difference between the radios stewards get and the in ear systems used by performers and their tech crews.

I'm not certain its a technology problem. I don't think your brain can concentrate on more than one task at a time. I'm not defending him by any means. As you said, there's more than enough responsibilty to go around here.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Well, this doesn't look good:

 

[tonysingh]

I've been watching a few clips of other performers at gigs and festivals stopping mid song to intervene in individual assaults or crowds getting OTT. I really don't see how Travis Scott couldn't have noticed what was happening and acted accordingly

 

[andysays]

Astroworld: Travis Scott and Drake sued over deadly US festival crush​

US rapper Travis Scott is facing legal action after at least eight people were killed and hundreds injured in a crush at his Texas festival Astroworld. One injured concertgoer has accused Scott and surprise performer Drake of inciting the crowd, and is seeking $1m (£741,000) in damages. Neither have commented on the lawsuit.

I would imagine this is just the first of many

 

[editor]

Well, this doesn't look good:

Wow. The guy's a fucking animal.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Astroworld: Travis Scott and Drake sued over deadly US festival crush​

I would imagine this is just the first of many

It doesn't take much time, does it? I got into a car accident about a decade ago. The insurance company ruled that it was 100% the other driver's fault. I had lawyers calling and sending letters on a daily basis hoping to get a piece of a lawsuit. It'll be the same feeding frenzy here, only worse.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Wow. The guy's a fucking animal.

He could stop performing for that, but couldn't for someone hurt. It says a lot about his priorities.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm not certain its a technology problem. I don't think your brain can concentrate on more than one task at a time. I'm not defending him by any means. As you said, there's more than enough responsibilty to go around here.

I literally do it every show I operate…

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I literally do it every show I operate…

Then, you have a talent I do not.

 

[editor]

I literally do it every show I operate…

If I was on stage and I saw something bad happening in the crowd, I'd do something about it. There's really no excuse given what that twat saw happening in front of his own eyes.

 

[editor]

If Adele can do it at a huge gig, so can any other performer.

In a break between songs, Adele had just welcomed her second fan of the night up on stage with her when her production manager Richard walked on stage and made an announcement.

"Can we make a path?" he asked. "There's somebody who's very ill out in the audience that we need to get out.

Adele was quick to offer her help, coming down to the crowd to ensure they were following instructions and continuing to talk to the gathered group in the meantime.

"I hope they're okay," she said. "They've probably been moshing too hard to one of my songs or something."

After entertaining the crowd with her chatter for a few more minutes, making sure to keep check of the path the crowd had been asked to form, Adele then carried on with her set with her hit single 'Set Fire to the Rain'.

I saw this on TV and it quite brought a tear to my eye. It's not hard to give a fuck about your fans.

Adele had to stop her Glastonbury set to help ill fan

The star's production manager halted the gig.

www.digitalspy.com

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

If Adele can do it at a huge gig, so can any other performer.



I saw this on TV and it quite brought a tear to my eye. It's not hard to give a fuck about your fans.

Adele had to stop her Glastonbury set to help ill fan

The star's production manager halted the gig.

www.digitalspy.com

The dynamics of a crowd at an Adele gig are rather different to the one under discussion though.

 

[editor]

The dynamics of a crowd at an Adele gig are rather different to the one under discussion though.

Well yes and no. It's still ultimately the same thing: singer/stage crew sees people in jeopardy. If Scott had stopped the show, explained the situation that people were at serious risk, why do you think the crowd would react any different?

 

[BigTom]

Well yes and no. It's still ultimately the same thing: singer/stage crew sees people in jeopardy. If Scott had stopped the show, explained the situation that people were at serious risk, why do you think the crowd would react any different?

The question is whether he knew it not. Its entirely possible that he couldn't see from stage what was happening and nobody told him.

Like the adele example there, it was the production manager who stopped the gig, not Adele.

Somebody should have been aware what was happening and stopped the gig and at that point the performer is the person who can manage the crowd and needs to do it but we have no way of knowing if or when scott himself was aware or why none of the production/stage managers did anything.

 

[editor]

The question is whether he knew it not. Its entirely possible that he couldn't see from stage what was happening and nobody told him.

Like the adele example there, it was the production manager who stopped the gig, not Adele.

Somebody should have been aware what was happening and stopped the gig and at that point the performer is the person who can manage the crowd and needs to do it but we have no way of knowing if or when scott himself was aware or why none of the production/stage managers did anything.

It's his festival, its his show, it's his people and ultimately it's his responsibility - even more so given his past record.

 

[RainbowTown]

This dumb clown has form for inciting his fans to behave recklessly, including criminal misdemeanour convictions. This was a tragedy waiting to happen. The buck stops with him. End of.

 

[BigTom]

It's his festival, its his show, it's his people and ultimately it's his responsibility - even more so given his past record.

For sure, along with various people from live nation, I'm just talking about in that moment of the show, where we don't yet know what happened and who knew what.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well yes and no. It's still ultimately the same thing: singer/stage crew sees people in jeopardy. If Scott had stopped the show, explained the situation that people were at serious risk, why do you think the crowd would react any different?

Because not all crowds are the same. Pull the plug on an Adele show and you’ll probably have to deal with a lot of angry tweets. Pull the plug on certain other shows and you’ll probably have to deal with a riot.

I’m not absolving him of blame in all this, far from it. He seems to have form and be a bit of an all round cock. But the situation is very far from as simple as many here seem to think.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

 

[Spandex]

There was a mini riot at the same entertainment complex two weeks before Astroworld when Playboi Carti cancelled his show there: Concertgoers create ‘chaotic’ scene at NRG Arena after rapper Playboi Carti cancels Houston show

That time people waited outside for 3 hours in heavy rain, were let in and waited another 3 hours before being told the concert was cancelled. They tore down metal detectors, fights broke out, horseback police arrived to stamp it out.

Hours before the crush that killed people at the Astroworld Festival concertgoers had stampeded the entrance of the festival, just outside of NRG Park, knocking over fences and metal detectors, and appearing to overwhelm understaffed security teams guarding the perimeter.

Travis Scott may be a prick (I don't know much about him), but the issues that caused this go further than just him.

 

[Flavour]

No one is saying that Travis Scott is the only one to blame -- obviously all the management are culpable. But he is not absolved at all by sharing that blame with the shitshow management -- he's a grade A cunt and it's not a coincidence that something like this happens at one of his shows and not, for example, an Adele show

 

[killer b]

it's not a coincidence that something like this happens at one of his shows and not, for example, an Adele show

Dunno about this - absolute dickheads appear onstage to large crowds all over the world on a daily basis and people aren't crushed to death. Looking at this list of human stampedes and crushes, catastrophic crowd control failures are the common denominator, not the base morals of the artist they've gathered to watch.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[Flavour]

He actively encourages crowd control failures