8 dead after crowd surge at US festival

[editor]

according to the digital spy story you quoted, Adele was alerted to the ill fan by her production manager who came out on stage to stop the performance?

So why didn't Scott have the same thing set up to make sure his fans were safe?

It's not like he didn't see the ambulance. He saw it, and then carried on without finding out what was going on.

It's his festival and it's inexcusable, particularly given his fucking abysmal record.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

So why didn't Scott have the same thing set up to make sure his fans were safe?

It's not like he didn't see the ambulance. He saw it, and then carried on without finding out what was going on.

It's his festival and it's inexcusable, particularly given his fucking abysmal record.

Did he though? Looks to me like he saw it, asked about it but stopped mid sentence and fell silent for ages whilst appearing to be having info relayed to him via his earpiece.

 

[killer b]

So why didn't Scott have the same thing set up to make sure his fans were safe?

this feels like a bit of circular argument - he probably thought he did have the same thing set up, seeing as he was working with the biggest and most experienced concert promotion company in the world who you'd have imagined it was safe to assume were on top of all this stuff.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Adele managed at the far bigger Glastonbury, as have many other acts in the past. And if seeing a fucking ambulance with its lights on coming up close to the stage isn't enough to suggest that something is seriously amiss, perhaps this guy should have rethink before creating any more of his dangerous festivals.

Something has gone wrong clearly. But is it the artist’s job performing the act with lights in their face and drowned in sound to manage crowds?
That’s a pretty crazy proposition. If someone else requested the gig be stopped and he refused then there is a case for negligence.

 

[NoXion]

I think it was probably reasonable for him to assume that the nuts and bolts infrastructure and safety stuff was being dealt with by Live Nation, the biggest and most experienced concert organisers in the world. He probably didn't have much of an overview on how many portaloos they'd booked either.

I would however expect him to do his due diligence and choose an event organizer with a better safety record.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

And here comes the fucking idiots

Travis Scott: Astroworld conspiracy theory TikTok videos taken down

Views have been taken down which falsely link the Astroworld disaster with Satanism.

www.bbc.co.uk

They've been at it pretty much since the news came out.

 

[Yossarian]

The organisers charged $365 a ticket and hired at least one security guard who'd never even been to a concert before.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I find some of this pretty surprising. I can't imagine that a Fire Chief would be denied access to check out the venue. Its a requirement for holding an event of that size in most states. I can't say I'm surprised by the rising number of lawsuits.

58 lawsuits and counting:

As investigators and attendees seek to know more about what caused the deadly crowd crush, a bevy of lawsuits are being filed in civil court on behalf of those at the show.

At least 58 civil lawsuits have been filed in Harris County District Court in connection to the disaster as of Wednesday, asking city officials, concert organizers and performers how the concert was ultimately allowed to continue as people were dying in the melee.

Houston Police Chief Troy Finner said at a news conference Wednesday that the "ultimate authority to end a show (was) with production and the entertainer, and that should be through communication with public safety officials."

"We don't hold the plug," he said.

Authorities have said first responders began to receive word of injuries in the crowd around 9:30 p.m. and the show continued for another 40 minutes.

Finner claims their investigation has revealed police personnel told the production team in charge of the performance that CPR was underway on at least one individual and to stop the show. Finner did not specify who the production team is or the timing of the notifications.

Questions have also been raised regarding the actions of Live Nation, the show's promoter and organizer, as well as Scott, who has maintained he did not know what was happening in the crowd during his set.

Fire chief was denied access to Astroworld venue twice ahead of the event

(CNN)The president of the Houston Professional Fire Fighter Association said Thursday the district fire chief whose station was closest to NRG Park stopped by the venue the morning of September 5 but was denied access twice.

According to Patrick "Marty" Lancton, the district fire chief of Station 21 stopped by to walk through the venue to get a lay of the land ahead of Friday night's concert, something he said is "normal."
"As with any big, large-scale event he took a ride over and said 'hey, let's check everything out,'" Lancton said. "In the city of Houston, a district fire chief is usually over three or four stations. When a response is required in his area, he is the first to respond. He would be the one taking command if something happened and determine what resources are needed."
According to Lancton, the district fire chief was denied access first by security. He requested to speak with the head of security who also denied the district chief access. Lancton said the district fire chief was given a map of the venue instead.

CNN has reached out several times to Contemporary Services Corporation, who handled security for the event, and has not heard back.
Houston Fire Chief Sam Peña backed up the claims that the district chief was not let in.

Fire chief was denied access to Astroworld venue twice ahead of the event, Houston Fire Fighter Association president says

The president of the Houston Professional Fire Fighter Association said Thursday the district fire chief whose station was closest to NRG Park stopped by the venue the morning of September 5 but was denied access twice.

www.cnn.com

I've had the Fire Marshall (the US version of Health and Safety) relate concerns about the high number of people or the electrical setup. We always fixed the issues that were listed.

 

[8ball]

The organisers charged $365 a ticket and hired at least one security guard who'd never even been to a concert before.

I doubt the latter is that rare.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I doubt the latter is that rare.

Not rare at all. At some of the events I've been part of, some of the security were people who were compensated with tickets to a performance. However, we also had regular security and a number of certified police officers so these volunteers weren't the only layer of security.

 

[Yossarian]

I can see it for people who are checking tickets or whatever, it's more surprising to hear that people with zero training or experience were put on crowd control in front of the stage.

 

[editor]

People were being hired 48 hours before the show with zero experience

An Astroworld security guard bailed on the night of the concert because training lacked and the venue was 'severely understaffed' for the 50,000-strong crowd - an alarm for the deadly crush that would later ensue, where eight were trampled to death and hundreds more were left hospitalized.

Darius Williams was hired just days before the fatal two-day festival, headlined by Travis Scott, under 'pretty vague' conditions and said he finished his training at 11 p.m. the night before the Friday event.

When he showed up to work the next morning, he 'just knew that we were definitely understaffed in every sense of the word,' Williams told TMZ.


'There was probably one security guard - from what I saw - for every 500 to 1,000,' he predicted. 'So I knew immediately if two people decided to rush the gate it was over with.'

However, qualifications for the job were merely being above 18 years old, having a high school diploma and being 'eligible to obtain a non-commissioned security license.'

Williams told TMZ about his experience getting the license less than 24 hours before Astroworld kicked off: 'The training for that was extremely brief. It was an open-book test.

'The teacher - he was actually giving us the answers as we were going through the books ourselves and trying to hurry up and fill out the answers.

'This was the night before Astroworld and it was already approaching 11pm. We had been there for three or four hours. We were tired, we were hungry.'

Williams noted that from the time he was hired, through the testing and up until he arrived to work around 7am on Friday, 'they... didn't really tell us what we would be doing, just issued us our uniforms (and) our jackets.'

https:// www.dailymail. co.uk/ news/article-10170617/Astroworld-security-guard-says-BAILED-night-concert-venue-severely-understaffed.html

 

[editor]

The more you find out this guy the worse he gets

Years before eight died at his Astroworld festival, Travis Scott would brag on social media about fans getting hurt and passing out at his shows — even suggesting one would be a “hero” if he “didn’t survive” a New York gig.

The 30-year-old “Sicko Mode” star — under fire for playing on at Friday’s Houston festival as eight died and hundreds were injured — still has disturbing images on his social media celebrating previous scares.

One of the most disturbing posts shows a young man seemingly unconscious at Scott’s sold-out 2015 show at Manhattan’s Webster Hall.

“TO THE KID THAT DIDNT SURVIVE THE RODEO. UR A HERO IN MU BOOK,” Scott captioned the photo that is still on his page.

Travis Scott repeatedly bragged about hurt, unconscious concertgoers

The 30-year-old “Sicko Mode” star still has disturbing images on his social media celebrating previous scares.

nypost.com

Spoiler: Disturbing video

 

[editor]

Fuck's sake. These poor kids

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Ninth victim has died:

Ninth Victim Dies From Injuries Sustained at Travis Scott Astroworld Concert

A 22-year-old college senior who was critically injured at the Astroworld festival in Houston has died, the family’s lawyer said Thursday.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

It sounds like the 9 year old boy who has been in a coma isn't doing well so this might go up further.

 

[RainbowTown]

Two previous criminal convictions in 2015 and 2018 for public disorder charges at his own concerts, for encouraging and inciting his audience to "rage" and rush the stage in defiance of security safety: a fan left paralyzed at another of his concerts; another fan encouraged by him to jump from a balcony ("I see you, but you gonna do it?" They gonna catch you. Don't be scared...don't be scared!") plus all the other grim stuff he's posted on his social media pages, on top of witness and video evidence on how he incites and whips his audience up, tells you one stark truth: this was a tragedy in the making, not some freak one-off event at a concert. So forgive me (no, don't actually) if I have nothing but contempt for this twat and all the '"rage" and "chaos" he seemingly stands for. And which resulted in death and injury to so many innocent people.

 

[Ax^]

all i can say is you really must hate your fans if you cannot stop the show because your scared of riots...

 

[kenny g]

Ninth victim has died:

Ninth Victim Dies From Injuries Sustained at Travis Scott Astroworld Concert

A 22-year-old college senior who was critically injured at the Astroworld festival in Houston has died, the family’s lawyer said Thursday.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

It sounds like the 9 year old boy who has been in a coma isn't doing well so this might go up further.

 

[kenny g]

The cousin's words are bang on. He nails it. Not a tragedy but an atrocity.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That leaves a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I feel very lucky that nothing too horrible happened on my watch. I had two injuries during events that stick in my mind. One was a Muslim gentlemen who had never really had any alcohol before, that drank too much and ran into a plexiglass door and had a nasty cut on the head. The other was a lady who fell down some stairs after drinking too much and injured her ankle. In both cases, we got people the treatment they needed without interrupting the event. It wasn't because it was in the disaster plan, or we wanted to avoid liability, but because you're responsible for what happens during an event, and its your personal responsibility. It will haunt you for years if you don't handle it right. It might even haunt you if you handle it right.

 

[Petcha]

Just caught up with this thread. Are people still trying to excuse this fuckwit? Unbelievable. He clearly saw the ambulance because he said 'what the fuck' while looking at it then turned away.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

Yep.

From the artist down…but certainly not the fire department (which includes emergency ambulances in Houston) who almost certainly would have to sign off on the risk assessment. This is an American foolball stadium…who thought sending an ambulance o to the pitch during a crowd crush was a sensible first line for removing casualties? Can you imagine that at Wembley? This wasn’t a festival site like Glastonbury, where you might try nas get an ambulance onto the site.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

People were being hired 48 hours before the show with zero experience



https:// www.dailymail. co.uk/ news/article-10170617/Astroworld-security-guard-says-BAILED-night-concert-venue-severely-understaffed.html

Remember the London Olympics?

 

[pseudonarcissus]

I


Fire chief was denied access to Astroworld venue twice ahead of the event
.

Tô be honest, that like to the union is like quoting the police federation statement about Hillsborough

 

[Spandex]

Just caught up with this thread. Are people still trying to excuse this fuckwit? Unbelievable.

I don't see people trying to excuse Travis Scott, I see people distinguishing between two separate issues:

1. Travis Scott - the man, the music, the commercial tie-ins, his unwholesome character. Seems a lot of people (myself included) have only just noticed him and don't like what they see.

2. The organisers of this event - Scott is just the figurehead and performer; behind him are his people, Live Nation (who were bought in to do the tricky stuff), the authorities in Houston, the people who run the NRG park.

It seems some people are focusing on Scott and his stupid antics and not on the people who failed - knowing full well what a Travis Scott show is like - to ensure the safety of the crowd. If you don't want these tragedies to happen it's important to focus on the right thing. This wasn't caused by one man; if Scott never plays another show some other act will take his place. What's needed is for event organisers and the authorities to take event safety seriously, ensure well understood safety measures are adhered to and not to put profits before people.

 

[kenny g]

I don't see people trying to excuse Travis Scott, I see people distinguishing between two separate issues:

1. Travis Scott - the man, the music, the commercial tie-ins, his unwholesome character. Seems a lot of people (myself included) have only just noticed him and don't like what they see.

2. The organisers of this event - Scott is just the figurehead and performer; behind him are his people, Live Nation (who were bought in to do the tricky stuff), the authorities in Houston, the people who run the NRG park.

It seems some people are focusing on Scott and his stupid antics and not on the people who failed - knowing full well what a Travis Scott show is like - to ensure the safety of the crowd. If you don't want these tragedies to happen it's important to focus on the right thing. This wasn't caused by one man; if Scott never plays another show some other act will take his place. What's needed is for event organisers and the authorities to take event safety seriously, ensure well understood safety measures are adhered to and not to put profits before people.

Live Nation must now be are tarnished brand and they are massive.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Just caught up with this thread. Are people still trying to excuse this fuckwit? Unbelievable.

No, literally nobody is doing that. Try reading what people are actually saying.

 

[BristolEcho]

Live Nation must now be are tarnished brand and they are massive.

It will make zero difference to them probably. They are big enough to suck the loss and have a perfect deflection.

 

[pesh]

Yeah, they'll just do what they did with the Scott Johnson court case, ask for delays at every stage, then successfully apply for the case to be thrown out due to all the delays.

Radiohead Stage Collapse Case Hits Standstill

After years of delays, a judge stays the case

www.google.com

 

[editor]

There's now petitions asking for him to be removed off various bills.

Thousands Sign Petition To Stop Travis Scott Performing At Coachella

<p>A petition has been signed by thousands of people to urge Coachella to drop Travis Scott from its line-up. On Friday, November 5, Scott’s Astroworld festival saw a crowd surge take the life of eight fans, and injure many others. The youngest victim was only 14 years old. While Scott has...

www.unilad.co.uk

Sign the Petition

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