8 dead after crowd surge at US festival

[BigTom]

They should be more concerned that Coachella is a live nation event than that Scott is playing there imo.

I would stay away from live nation festivals in the US until it's clear what happened and that live nation have sorted themselves out.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm not privy to the risk assessment they did for Glastonbury festival's pyramid stage, but I think it's safe to assume in the 'what to do if there's a medical emergency in the crowd' column it doesn't say 'leave it up to the act to decide what to do'

So why do you think all the acts get told what to do, given that as you rightly say it would be stupid to leave it up to them. Site/venue crew and security are (or should be) trained in this stuff.

Good venue security can cut through a packed crowd like butter when they need to.

 

[kenny g]

Would be interested to hear if anyone has seen this kind of pen setup before. There has been slot of comment elsewhere that a three sided pen is unusual..

 

[BigTom]

www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwVa06Ila4-I&token=AQAAEkaQYUfNl2cUIL5GBq59tK-ZWiQQZ1ZfcbFUA9SRqv1QHtOj&app_name=android

That link isn't working for me

 

[kenny g]

That link isn't working for me

Thanks. Edited now.

 

[BigTom]

Would be interested to hear if anyone has seen this kind of pen setup before. There has been slot of comment elsewhere that a three sided pen is unusual..

It's absolutely standard to have a run up the middle of the crowd area from stage to front of house on larger / more rowdy festivals, and to have those kind of wings on larger ones (you'll see them at glastonbury for instance). The front sections look pretty small but in theory that should make things safer rather than more dangerous I think.

Edit: assuming you can move from one section to another, I'm not sure if one or both of those drug sections is entirely divided from the rest of the crowd area in which case it would be very important to control hope many people get into each section.

 

[kenny g]

It's absolutely standard to have a run up the middle of the crowd area from stage to front of house on larger / more rowdy festivals, and to have those kind of wings on larger ones (you'll see them at glastonbury for instance). The front sections look pretty small but in theory that should make things safer rather than more dangerous I think.

Edit: assuming you can move from one section to another, I'm not sure if one or both of those drug sections is entirely divided from the rest of the crowd area in which case it would be very important to control hope many people get into each section.

It sounds like the control was what was missing.

 

[BigTom]

It sounds like the control was what was missing.

I just hope there's a proper investigation and the people involved are honest about what happened so we find out and can learn from it.

Right now it's all just speculation and the detail of what happened where and when is so important to understanding and not something we have any grasp on at this point.

 

[kenny g]

This is a good summary. Tragic that a nine year old is in a coma. Astroworld: DanceSafe’s Evaluations | DanceSafe

 

[editor]

This is a good summary. Tragic that a nine year old is in a coma. Astroworld: DanceSafe’s Evaluations | DanceSafe

DanceSafe’s verdict: LiveNation and its security contractors/vendors did not sufficiently prepare staff. Security staff were inadequately trained and medical staff were inadequately resourced. Some staff failed to act when alerted to problems in the crowd, and as far as we are aware there was no plan in place for crowd control or responding to crowd crushing.

This is pretty shocking too:

Beyond this, a myriad of large events have been held in unsafe or downright dangerous conditions in 2021 alone. Festivals have been held in 100 degree heat, where alcohol was served directly inside the entrance and water stations were a half mile walk away. Massive events have been thrown at the peak of the Delta surge without any sort of COVID precautions in place. Camping festivals have left ADA patrons stuck in shin-deep mud without assistance, and others waiting in line for shuttles for upwards of 10 hours.

 

[andysays]

Death toll now up to ten

Astroworld: Boy, nine, dies days after crush at Travis Scott festival​

 

[5t3IIa]

$2bn lawsuit Travis Scott, Drake, and more hit with $2 billion Astroworld lawsuit

 

[Badgers]

$2bn lawsuit Travis Scott, Drake, and more hit with $2 billion Astroworld lawsuit

Good opening gambit

 

[editor]

Good opening gambit

The Astroworld stampede recently claimed its ninth and 10th victims after two more people—one a nine-year-old child—died from the injuries they sustained at the event earlier this month. This lawsuit says that the organizers all stood to make an “exorbitant amount of money” off of Astroworld, and yet they “still chose to cut corners, cut costs, and put attendees at risk.” By asking for $2 billion in damages, the plaintiffs intend to “send the message to all performers, event organizers, and promoters that what happened at Astroworld cannot happen again.”

They're going for Apple too:

Apple getting named here is a relatively new wrinkle to all of this, with this suit accusing the company of compromising concertgoer safety through its “multimillion dollar purchase, promotion, and implementation of its exclusively online streaming rights” of Astroworld. The suit accuses Apple’s cameras, camera stands, and the metal barriers surrounding them of limiting the “means of exit” for a lot of people by splitting the venue “both horizontally and vertically.”

 

[ddraig]

 

[editor]

He's such a fucking dick

Kanye wants Billie Eilish to say sorry or he'll pull out of Coachella

The rapper wants her to apologise for crowd safety comments he thinks are aimed at Travis Scott.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AmateurAgitator]

He's such a fucking dick

Kanye wants Billie Eilish to say sorry or he'll pull out of Coachella

The rapper wants her to apologise for crowd safety comments he thinks are aimed at Travis Scott.

www.bbc.co.uk

There is just no end to his dickishness. It seems limitless.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There is just no end to his dickishness. It seems limitless.

He does seem to be lacking that filter that most of us have to keep us from saying stupid stuff.

 

[Ax^]

why is trav at the festival after astroworld

 

[krtek a houby]

He's such a fucking dick

Kanye wants Billie Eilish to say sorry or he'll pull out of Coachella

The rapper wants her to apologise for crowd safety comments he thinks are aimed at Travis Scott.

www.bbc.co.uk

Iirc, he also threw a strop at a young Taylor Swift years ago.

 

[tonysingh]

Its almost like Kanye West is a misogynistic, insufferable and egotistical berk.

 

[krtek a houby]

Its almost like Kanye West is a misogynistic, insufferable and egotistical berk.

Aye. Have noticed in the last few years, online macho, misogynistic, maga types have been singing his praises. The type who normally have unpleasant things to say about black people and hip hop...

 

[tonysingh]

Aye. Have noticed in the last few years, online macho, misogynistic, maga types have been singing his praises. The type who normally have unpleasant things to say about black people and hip hop...

There's an almost cult like aura around him. And I could spelled one of them words differently and still been bang on

 

[ice-is-forming]

He's a bit paranoid

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There's an almost cult like aura around him. And I could spelled one of them words differently and still been bang on

He's started his own church, which has been accused of being cult-like.



To be honest, none of that really looks that out of the ordinary, but given Kanye's egocentrism, I doubt handing him a pulpit to preach from is a good idea.