‘March for the Alternative’ - 26th March - London

[Blagsta]

A lot of knickers in twists here, I'm talking about how the actions of 'Black Bloc' must look to the outside world. I know some on the far left get touchy about nazi comparisons but if you can't see the similarity in some of the imagery from last Saturday then you must be either blind, or more likely in denial.

history fail

 

[Blagsta]

The fella behind him in his profile pic was also in 'that picture' with Felix Bungay.

That's Tim Aker I think.

 

[past caring]

He's engaging people with the issues tbf. As long as he doesn't start claiming to be any sort of spokesman for the people then all power to him with that.

"Friends with the Rothschilds. Satanists."

I could forgive it if he'd happened upon 'em by chance and so had to think on his feet - but he clearly didn't. And as for the "Why not vote BNP" comment in response to the "Go home Yank" jibe?

Sure, nobody comes to these things with ideas full formed, but I've seen him being bigged up in a few places now and fucking irks, to be honest.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

From the FB link earlier in the thread, check out this peaheaded little cuntjerb:

I want to nick that dweeb's dinner money and donate it to a lesbian Asian hopscotch collective. And then burn him to death forra laff like.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=204678962884261#!/davidbean.org

 

[Mr.Bishie]

^^ Who's that then?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Now now Jeff, you should know by now that milksop "socialists" like Andrew Hertford tend to ignore how Capital loads all the external costs of Capitalist production onto the rest of us, how they exploit us, and use the mechanisms of government to keep us in our place.
far better to get het up by a tiny degree of aggro, than to address the real issues!

Who are you to define my political beliefs? Here isn't where I'd want to discuss the "real issues" about the cuts, I'd only be agreeing (to perhaps a lesser degree) with everyone else.

But what a load of shite there's been on this subject this afternoon. Not once has anyone come up with a logical justification for the use of political violence as perpetrated by those 'Black Bloc' twats on Saturday, and when I say that they remind me of nazis, which they do, it's as if I'm committing some kind of heinous blasphemy at high church and am in need of a history lesson (which if you knew me you'd find totally laughable btw). Although it wasn't my intention, I've clearly touched a few nerves. No apologies for that.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

@ Mr Bishie

Dunno, he was a member in the "march for austerity" Face Book group wank that Steel Icarus posted a link to earlier. He must be destroyed.

 

[Steel Icarus]

@ Mr Bishie

Dunno, he was a member in the "march for austerity" Face Book group wank that Steel Icarus posted a link to earlier. He must be destroyed.

Lots of twittering about this bollocks. I of course am sniping at the silly cunts. Can you get kicked off Twitter for calling people cunts, or is it just threats that'll do it?

 

[DotCommunist]

march for austerity, join the fucking prods then. Everyones mrs sodding beeton now the emperor's nakedness is revealed. Parsimony, thrift and asceticism are toys to these fucking calvin-come-latelies. Only it isn't their own reckless gluttony they complain about is it.

 

[butchersapron]

(which if you knew me you'd find totally laughable btw).

Why Andrew?

 

[weepiper]

fucking calvin-come-latelies

 

[teqniq]

Someone just tweeted this. Bit nuts, if true. I would guess it means something along the lines of a) they're really on the case with the surveillance b) they're pretty pissed off.

unbelievably have just been stop and searched at walthamstow station for being on trafalgar sq on saturday. I kid you not.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who are you to define my political beliefs?

I haven't. I've merely characterised your politics according to your own writings on the forum.

Here isn't where I'd want to discuss the "real issues" about the cuts, I'd only be agreeing (to perhaps a lesser degree) with everyone else.

Given that you've expressed your thoughts on the "real issues" on other threads, I'm not sure that your conclusion is accurate.

But what a load of shite there's been on this subject this afternoon. Not once has anyone come up with a logical justification for the use of political violence as perpetrated by those 'Black Bloc' twats on Saturday,

No? Do you not actually mean that no-one has come up with reasoning that you'll accept?

and when I say that they remind me of nazis, which they do, it's as if I'm committing some kind of heinous blasphemy at high church...

You didn't say "they remind me of nazis", you made a direct comparison between the behaviour and dress of "the black bloc" and what occurred on Kristallnacht. Now, you may have done this because you're historically ignorant, because you're hopeless at expressing yourself, or because you're a twat, but you did it nonetheless.

and am in need of a history lesson (which if you knew me you'd find totally laughable btw).

I don't give a pig's penis if you're known as "Andrew, the Historian of Hertford", your attempted comparison was as risible as it was offensive.

Although it wasn't my intention, I've clearly touched a few nerves. No apologies for that.

I, for one, don't expect an apology. Your ilk never give them.

 

[grit]

Now now Jeff, you should know by now that milksop "socialists" like Andrew Hertford tend to ignore how Capital loads all the external costs of Capitalist production onto the rest of us, how they exploit us, and use the mechanisms of government to keep us in our place.
far better to get het up by a tiny degree of aggro, than to address the real issues!

Probably because its a given that the corporate entities are fucking around, everyone knows and expects nothing less.

People like to hold their peers to a higher standard I'd imagine.

2 wrongs etc etc

 

[Nice one]

official arrest figures are out:

147 people charged with offences

* 138 people charged with aggravated trespass in connection with the incident at Fortnum & Mason
* 3 people charged with criminal damage
* 2 people charged with assaulting a police officer
* 1 person charged with S4 Public Order Act (threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour)
* 1 person charged with being drunk and disorderly

In custody

* a 17 year old male accused of possession of an offensive weapon in a public place; and going equipped for criminal damage (he appeared in youth court on the 28th March)
* a male appeared in court on 28th March charged with violent disorder (S2 Public Order Act) and assault on police

Not yet charged

* 47 people are bailed to return to police stations during April pending further inquiries. Seven of those are connected with Fortnum and Mason, 40 in connection with other incidents.

Other

* 3 people were cautioned for criminal damage
* 2 people released with no further action

http://www.freedompress.org.uk/news/2011/03/29/march-26th-legal-update/
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Summary-of-arrests-following-disorder-in-central-London/1260268752820/1257246745756

 

[teqniq]

Oh and a friend of mine who was there is suffering from concussion after being 'kettled'. Apparently it's gotten worse so lots of people are advising her to visit A&E. So here's wishing her well.

 

[The Black Hand]

Oh and a friend of mine who was there is suffering from concussion after being 'kettled'. Apparently it's gotten worse so lots of people are advising her to visit A&E. So here's wishing her well.

Yes indeed. Not pleasant at all.

 

[Blagsta]

Scottish I believe. Seems to have become 'radicalised' by his experiences of the G20 protest in London.

You've reminded me of the first time I heard of him.

'go home yank'

The Zionist, Rothschilds, Satanists stuff is sailing too close to anti-semitic conspiraloon stuff for my liking.


I'm sure the bloke who said "go home yank" was one of the undercover cops from a You Tube vid that was posted the other day, can't find link though.

 

[DaveCinzano]

1 possession of offensive weapon/going equipped for criminal damage..

I believe I may have seen that nicking - about half two on William Street/St Martin Place near Trafalgar Square. Some older hippie-looking guy was walking by a very bored-looking half-serial of TSG parked up opposite the Chandos.

For some reason they gave him a spin, apparently found a Stanley knife in his bag. As I understand it in his attempt to explain to the half-dozen riot cops crowded round him, who had already handcuffed him painfully behind his back, his legitimate reason for having it (in his bag, I believe), he made the faux pas of calling them 'arseholes'. Whilst accurate, it might not have been expedient.

He was then carted off to the vans where, in-for-a-penny-in-for-a-pound style he hawked a deliciously long gob at his captors, which arced through several feet. I couldn't see if it hit any celebrity thugs like Delroy or Simon though.

ETA

Looking at the breakdown in Nice One's post, either they dropped the offensive weapon, or they didn't count him in those stats, as if this fellow was seventeen years old, then he'd lived a most troubled life.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Never trust a hippy called Stanley!

 

[BigTom]

I believe I may have seen that nicking - about half two on William Street/St Martin Place near Trafalgar Square. Some older hippie-looking guy was walking by a very bored-looking half-serial of TSG parked up opposite the Chandos.

For some reason they gave him a spin, apparently found a Stanley knife in his bag. As I understand it in his attempt to explain to the half-dozen riot cops crowded round him, who had already handcuffed him painfully behind his back, his legitimate reason for having it (in his bag, I believe), he made the faux pas of calling them 'arseholes'. Whilst accurate, it might not have been expedient.

He was then carted off to the vans where, in-for-a-penny-in-for-a-pound style he hawked a deliciously long gob at his captors, which arced through several feet. I couldn't see if it hit any celebrity thugs like Delroy or Simon though.

ETA

Looking at the breakdown in Nice One's post, either they dropped the offensive weapon, or they didn't count him in those stats, as if this fellow was seventeen years old, then he'd lived a most troubled life.

Hopefully this is one of the two people released without charge, lol at the gobbing part of your account. I hope he is fine and was released having given a legitimate reason for having the stanley knife.

 

[shaman75]

The Zionist, Rothschilds, Satanists stuff is sailing too close to anti-semitic conspiraloon stuff for my liking.


I'm sure the bloke who said "go home yank" was one of the undercover cops from a You Tube vid that was posted the other day, can't find link though.

yes. i recognised him. not convinced it's actually him shouting the yank stuff tho.

but i was a bit surprised to see him in that film... undercover cop or something deeper?

 

[shaman75]

Press photographer attacked by riot police in London on March 26

On March 26 during mass protests in London I was targeted by police whilst trying to do my job as a press photographer. In order of seriousness, I was hit with a baton above my left knee, arrested and de-arrested with shocking treatment as a bank was smashed up just feet away, had two lens hoods broken by police aiming for my cameras with their batons, and had riot shields pushed into my face causing bruising to my nose.

Both lens hoods protecting the lenses on my cameras were broken. In one instance the hood was completely smashed by a policeman in riot gear using his baton against me aggressively on Piccadilly. He could have hit me anywhere but specifically went for my camera gear. I posed no threat to anyone, particularly the police and it was quite clear I was doing my job as a press photographer. The police were heavily outnumbered, kettled by the crowds, acting unprofessionally in a nervous 'strike anyone' manner. There is no way their strike on me could be seen as self-defence, found as the reason for the attack in Officer Delroy Smellie's case from striking a G20 protester in April 2009.

Later on I was put into a headlock from behind and dragged backwards along the floor and in the air by Constable Malone (U2736) who stated I was arrested without saying why. I was left gasping for air in much shock. At the time protesters were smashing Llyods Bank Piccadilly branch. The police squad wanted to take me around the corner for questioning – the fact that my press card was visible made no difference whatsoever in the matter. Numerous photographers demanded I be released as they know me personally as a press photographer with the NUJ and the London Photographers Branch. Officer Malone, after much pleading as to why I was arrested, stated that it was for criminal damage. This is absurd considering the two cameras on my body, a lens case on my waist and a helmet. Meanwhile less than five feet in front of me were a handful of people smashing in the windows of Llyods bank Piccadilly branch. Facing too much pressure from the surrounding photographers and myself he stated I was de-arrested and that it would still be written in his book.

At all times a Green and Black Cross legal observer, identified as 'LO32', documented the circumstances leading to, during and after my arrest and the subsequent treatment I received by the police.

After this incident I was also hit in the face deliberately with a riot shield by another riot policeman at least twice causing bruising to my nose, and furthermore got struck intentionally by a police baton on the outside of my left knee above the joint. This caused me extreme pain and distress. I was doing my job and not intimidating the officer or posing a threat toward him in any way at all.

Although not too debilitating at first, within an hour I was finding it difficult to walk as a result of the strike above my knee. I went to wire off my images and I had wanted to return to work in the evening but was unable to do so because of the pain and difficulty walking.

By 1900 hours on Sunday the sheer pain and discomfort was still too much for me to walk. I also had a restless night despite taking painkillers and icing the area for as long as possible. By Monday morning, although the swelling had gone down slightly, I was still not in a state to be able to go out and work.

I work daily including weekends as a press photographer and in particular have been specialising in protests movements for the last year and a half – this can be seen through constant reports from this time period. I have gained valuable information on all aspects of protest from the protesters to the police and everything in between that occurs. Based on my experience, the police acted entirely unprofessionally in a nervous manner instead of assessing the scene and acting with a calm head as I hope they are trained to do.

I am appealing for anyone that has any information regarding these incidents, in particular photographs documenting the policeman striking me above the knee.

http://www.demotix.com/news/643449/press-photographer-attacked-riot-police-london-march-26

 

[Andrew Hertford]

...your attempted comparison was as risible as it was offensive.

Aaaw poor you. Did I offend your delicate sensitivities?

They acted like a bunch of nazis, that is what was offensive.

Get over it.

 

[stethoscope]

 

[Random]

Aaaw poor you. Did I offend your delicate sensitivities?

They acted like a bunch of nazis, that is what was offensive.

Get over it.

You're acting like a bunch of nazis.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Aaaw poor you. Did I offend your delicate sensitivities?

They acted like a bunch of nazis, that is what was offensive.

Get over it.

Andrew you think they acted like Nazis, but you haven't given any specifics, beyond broken windows, that they share with the perpetrators of Kristallnacht. If I was being as provocative as you seem to want to be, I could point out that fire-fighters also break windows and wear big boots, but that doesn't make them fascist stormtroopers. It's also been pointed out that there are actually more similarities with the actions of militant suffragettes than brown shirts. Can you really not see why people find your attempted ahistorical analogy both inaccurate and offensive?

Louis MacNeice

 

[The Black Hand]

Andrew you think they acted like Nazis, but you haven't given any specifics, beyond broken windows, that they share with the perpetrators of Kristallnacht. If I was being as provocative as you seem to want to be, I could point out that fire-fighters also break windows and wear big boots, but that doesn't make them fascist stormtroopers. It's also been pointed out that there are actually more similarities with the actions of militant suffragettes than brown shirts. Can you really not see why people find your attempted ahistorical analogy both inaccurate and offensive?

Louis MacNeice

Well said reasonable Louis - meanwhile I'm getting my bricks ready to heave at yonder Andy a la black bloc.

 

[DotCommunist]

Well said reasonable Louis - meanwhile I'm getting my bricks ready to heave at yonder Andy a la black bloc.

fascist

 

[The Black Hand]

Very good, I see 4 undercover in that video below. Do people agree on that number?

yes. i recognised him. not convinced it's actually him shouting the yank stuff tho.

but i was a bit surprised to see him in that film... undercover cop or something deeper?