Are you going on the “Hate March”? (11/11/23) - Poll

[TopCat]

To be fair he and his daughter are deadly political enemies

It made me shudder seeing the hard right with macron and all the EU supporting centrists.

 

[TopCat]

Metropolitan Police officers are searching for a pro-Palestinian protester with a placard depicting Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman as coconuts on Saturday.

In a thread on X, formerly known as Twitter, the Metropolitan Police said it was looking to identify individuals in photos being shared on the platform following Saturday’s demonstration.

One image showed the smiling woman holding a poster of a palm tree with cut-outs of the Prime Minister and Home Secretary’s faces among coconuts on a beach.

Coconuts !​

What’s your view on that? Genuine question?

 

[teqniq]

Someone bell carter fuck

Lots of people are suggesting a class action lawsuit on Twitter but there is an added complication that apparently she's in the U.S.

 

[GarveyLives]

Yesterday evening, police officers visited the home of 61-year old Kevin Sweeney in West Molesey, Surrey, but he was not there.

If anyone bumps into him, please let him know that the police would like to speak to him.​

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It's like flippin' crimewatch on here.

 

[hitmouse]

Got about ten tabs of Tate & Lyle stuff on Vinted open now thanks to spitfire. If anyone wants a new black and white stripy top, there's someone flogging a L&S one on there for £3 plus postage, it's in XL though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So coppers have singled out that coconut image and an image showing the Star of David with a swastika in the middle. Won't link. Hopefully everyone will keep schtum.

ffs.

Also two men with full face covering purportedly supporting Hamas. (Good luck finding them.)

 

[PTK]

What’s your view on that? Genuine question

I don't agree with the propostion that people with a particular shade of skin should be expected to adopt a particular poltical line. I regard it as a racist idea.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't agree with the propostion that people with a particular shade of skin should be expected to adopt a particular poltical line. I regard it as a racist idea.

Should it be a criminal offence to express it?

 

[Ax^]

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Saw this yesterday with the comment:

"Greg Wallace on the gear".

It did make me chuckle.

tbf Mrs Wallace has to be careful

give him the 3rd Weetabix in the morning and he can get very lively

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It would just about sum up the shitshow if the only person arrested for racism from a weekend with racist fascist white-supremacist scum on the loose were a non-white person.

 

[Spymaster]

It would just about sum up the shitshow if the only person arrested for racism from a weekend with racist fascist white-supremacist scum on the loose were a non-white person.

Didn't a load of white racists get arrested on the day?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Didn't a load of white racists get arrested on the day?

Yeah for violence.

 

[PTK]

Should it be a criminal offence to express it?

Should we allow someone to attend a march with such a placard, as the message on it has nothing to do with the aims of the march?

 

[hitmouse]

Should we allow someone to attend a march with such a placard, as the message on it has nothing to do with the aims of the march?

How does "allowing" work here? Are stewards going to check each of the 300,000 (or however many it was) attendees for objectionable slogans before allowing them to join? Yes, it was an objectionable placard and I wouldn't have made or carried it myself, but it's a fantasy to think that you're ever going to get 300,000 (or however many) people together without some of them making decisions that you think are unwise or counterproductive. Given the numbers, it seems like the proportion of people doing dickhead stuff, however broadly you define that, was amazingly low.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Should we allow someone to attend a march with such a placard, as the message on it has nothing to do with the aims of the march?

Who is 'we' and why do 'we' get to do the allowing? I don't agree with the second part of your post.

I also don't like the idea btw. Aside from anything else, it is politically useless. But I don't set myself up as part of a 'we' that does that kind of 'allowing' on protests.

 

[Spymaster]

Should it be a criminal offence to express it?

Not sure about this. If there was a banner on an EDL march depicting Jeremy Corbyn as black or Asian, I think certain people would shout "racist".

The coconut thing is racially-loaded bollocks though. Effectively telling brown people that they're not proper brown.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The coconut thing is racially-loaded bollocks though. Effectively telling brown people that they're not proper brown.

Yes, I agree. I wasn't asking that, though. Should it be a criminal offence to express the idea?

 

[editor]

Dunno if this has been posted but there's only one winner here

Formidable KO!

 

[Cloo]

How does "allowing" work here? Are stewards going to check each of the 300,000 (or however many it was) attendees for objectionable slogans before allowing them to join? Yes, it was an objectionable placard and I wouldn't have made or carried it myself, but it's a fantasy to think that you're ever going to get 300,000 (or however many) people together without some of them making decisions that you think are unwise or counterproductive. Given the numbers, it seems like the proportion of people doing dickhead stuff, however broadly you define that, was amazingly low.

I've been thinking about this because obviously, as has been said no one can be expected to vet all placards.

Protests against Israel's actions do present a unique issue; Jews might complain 'Well the amount of acceptable racism at any other demo would be Zero, so how come there seems to be an allowable level of antisemitism', but then I can't think of any other protest where that might plausibly happen. It's unfortunate, but I don't see how to prevent it unless perhaps individuals are prepared to go up to people and go 'Look, that's really not on'. I mean, I'd like people to do that, but I can't expect it of them.

I'm not a fan of people using swastikas in the protests - the symbolism is not unjustified in some senses but I feel it's needlessly offensive and alienating to Jewish allies, also it's not going to shame any Israel government chauvinist out of their views but rather inflame them further to claim all opponents are antisemitic if they're prepared to be that offensive.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not a fan of people using swastikas in the protests - the symbolism is not unjustified in some senses but I feel it's needlessly offensive and alienating to Jewish allies, also it's not going to shame any Israel government chauvinist out of their views but rather inflame them further to claim all opponents are antisemitic if they're prepared to be that offensive.

I agree with this as well. However, the Met Police considers comparing Israel to the Nazis in a visual manner to be a criminal offence.

This isn't about whether or not we like or agree with the particular bits of offensiveness that appeared at the march. At this moment, the coppers are putting people's faces all over the internet because they want to arrest them. (Or not faces in the case of the Hamas twins. :-|.)

I only hope everyone who knows them keeps schtum, but it only takes one tosser.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

tbh whatever you think of the wisdom of that banner (and I agree with Cloo as to why it is not wise), the idea that comparing someone to the Nazis should be a criminal offence is quite mad. It's not advocating Naziism. It's the opposite. It's using Naziism as a symbol of a terrible thing - the most terrible thing.

 

[PTK]

Should it be a criminal offence to express it?

I don't think that this person should be arrested for carrying that placard, but I think the stewards should have told her not to carry it.

 

[GarveyLives]

It's like flippin' crimewatch on here.

One of the men involved in the incident at Waterloo Station was wearing an Arsenal FC shirt with the number 41 on the back, over a grey hoodie top. That individual was filmed threatening and shouting obscenities at a group of people, including calling them "terrorist c****s".

That is probably why a family friend of landscape gardener James Thomas, the proprietor of J.T Landscaping Services of Christchurch, Dorset, has told reporters that James Thomas intends to report to the police today.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

What’s your view on that? Genuine question?

That is a clearly racist meme

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Formidable KO!

She is an absolute star!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't think that this person should be arrested for carrying that placard, but I think the stewards should have told her not to carry it.

Not the stewards' job or place to police behaviour in that way. Aside from that, on a huge demo like Saturday's, entirely impractical.

 

[PTK]

Not the stewards' job or place to police behaviour in that way. Aside from that, on a huge demo like Saturday's, entirely impractical.

It is not the stewards job? Really? If the stewards see an inapproprite placard or bannre, surely they should act?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They're stewards, not march police.

 

[GarveyLives]

Metropolitan Police officers are searching for a pro-Palestinian protester with a placard depicting Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman as coconuts on Saturday.

In a thread on X, formerly known as Twitter, the Metropolitan Police said it was looking to identify individuals in photos being shared on the platform following Saturday’s demonstration.

One image showed the smiling woman holding a poster of a palm tree with cut-outs of the Prime Minister and Home Secretary’s faces among coconuts on a beach.

Coconuts !​

What a relief that they were not carrying ... photographs of Coconuts.​