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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It's interesting if you think that the SDF was what the SPGB came out of.
Lurdan
old wave
The banner wasn't an SDF banner. It was carried by a group including Joseph Lane and Frank Kitz who were in the process of establishing the Labour Emancipation League. (Lane had been involved with a group called variously the Homerton Social Democratic Club, the Homerton Socialist Club and other variations). The LEL subsequently joined the SDF for a few months before leaving with those who formed the Socialist League.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
That's right.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
Wasn't Hyndman's mob technically the Democratic Federation in 1881? They didn't decide to add Social until 1884.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
holy moly, we had the Gaelic American (after a few mergings) in the house when i was a lad (not 1906 though).
one of the great mastheads.
Lurdan
old wave
Yeah. Adopted a socialist programme in 1884 and changed name.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Snippet from what seems like a good meeting on housing struggles.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
There seems to be a more relaxed attitude to filming now? Which is perhaps inevitable.
Also I just noticed that the previous statement on behaviour and ethics has been replaced by simply:
Also I just noticed that the previous statement on behaviour and ethics has been replaced by simply:
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Still potential for this thread to erupt into a 50-page bunfight about the Labour Emancipation League vs the (Social) Democratic Federation though.Gonna say (slightly drunk from after drinks at Freedom) it's been a pretty lovely day, caught up with good people and no drama
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Can't find it on a quick look, also might not have written a report, can't recall now. I'll stick some thoughts down from it in a bit after coffee.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
From memory last year's started with an online presentation by the Solidarity Collectives about what they do for supporting anarchists fighting in the TDF / regular Ukraine military. Nothing earth shattering or very different to what you'd expect. There was some discussion including points raised criticising that (and similar) positions by people with a more NWBTCW / internationalist perspective but they were partly shouted down or told this wasn't the place for that discussion (there was also a CWO meeting more on that as well iirc). Pretty disappointing and shallow meeting really just focused on quite minimally impactful 'solidarity' stuff.
My thoughts on it now are much the same as then in that I think in some ways it showed up some pretty poor politics among some anarchists on this topic; in that that they dismissed criticism as being from 'tankies' rather than a differing perspective from other anarchists/leftcoms/etc. and then didn't deal or answer any of the things brought up. I think there's some really complicated and difficult (but ultimately important and useful) things to talk about on this topic, which we sometimes (at its best) we have managed on here.
I also think it brings up issues with that stream within anarchism that doesn't 'like' analysis or nuance, and just leaps to positions defending the 'side' they see as more 'oppressed' etc., especially if it can involve some practical 'solidarity' type activity. I mean as I've made clear on here the flipside of this is the NWBTCW / leftcoms that denounce pretty much anything and everything as 'tainted' and not worthy of support or engaging with (even critically). I think it also calls into question the reality of what it means that now anarchism and wider extra-parliamentary radical left politics seems to be made up of various issues, campaigns and support for other struggles rather than political organising in a more fundamental and coherent political and strategic way.
My thoughts on it now are much the same as then in that I think in some ways it showed up some pretty poor politics among some anarchists on this topic; in that that they dismissed criticism as being from 'tankies' rather than a differing perspective from other anarchists/leftcoms/etc. and then didn't deal or answer any of the things brought up. I think there's some really complicated and difficult (but ultimately important and useful) things to talk about on this topic, which we sometimes (at its best) we have managed on here.
I also think it brings up issues with that stream within anarchism that doesn't 'like' analysis or nuance, and just leaps to positions defending the 'side' they see as more 'oppressed' etc., especially if it can involve some practical 'solidarity' type activity. I mean as I've made clear on here the flipside of this is the NWBTCW / leftcoms that denounce pretty much anything and everything as 'tainted' and not worthy of support or engaging with (even critically). I think it also calls into question the reality of what it means that now anarchism and wider extra-parliamentary radical left politics seems to be made up of various issues, campaigns and support for other struggles rather than political organising in a more fundamental and coherent political and strategic way.
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Epona
Sonic: 1 Nov 2006 - 8 Jan 2022
On my way down if anyone's around. Would have been earlier but I got landed with the food hub Saturday pickup shift
This - we were there for a bit early afternoon but didn't bump into you rich! - and Fozzie Bear alas I don't know what you look like to be able to spot you and say hi (tbf I am moderately face-blind so even if I met you once before I'd not be able to spot you now!)
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
They did raise hell at one time, but by all accounts this one was more sedate.
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