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London Anarchist Bookfair 2023/24

Santino said:
Are allegations of rape are only ever hushed up or downplayed by nefarious governments? Can you think of any other recent circumstances when sexual abuse might have been covered up or ignored or inadequately investigated? Anything in recent history at all?
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I think once dealing in astronomical units it doesn’t make much sense to speak of a point going “over” someone’s head.

But anyway, was a tangent that was liable to derail so response was understandable, and also best left alone.
 
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Wilf said:
the idea that an organisation of the left can declare someone innocent of such crimes is farcical.
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I've sat in on (other) situations because no-one else would before now. It's horrible but what are we supposed to do when a case is raised, ignore it? Auto-declare every accused person a social danger and bar them from all social events? Most of the time no-one involved is doing very well, no-one wants to talk to the cops (least of all the survivors, otherwise they would have already been and sometimes have), and no matter what happens someone is feeling aggrieved at the end. It's really easy to sound off about what should and shouldn't happen, but this shit is hard. It's done by people who aren't expert, who have it fall in their laps while they're half-burnt out from everything else etc. And it's absolutely never, ever helped by people speculating/gossiping from the sidelines.
 
Rob Ray said:
I've sat in on (other) situations because no-one else would before now. It's horrible but what are we supposed to do when a case is raised, ignore it? Auto-declare every accused person a social danger and bar them from all social events? Most of the time no-one involved is doing very well, no-one wants to talk to the cops (least of all the survivors, otherwise they would have already been and sometimes have), and no matter what happens someone is feeling aggrieved at the end. It's really easy to sound off about what should and shouldn't happen, but this shit is hard. It's done by people who aren't expert, who have it fall in their laps while they're half-burnt out from everything else etc. And it's absolutely never, ever helped by people speculating/gossiping from the sidelines.
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I didn't put it very well in my post, particularly saying such investigations are 'problematic'. I meant that not in the sense of shouldn't be done, but as in difficult and messy. I also agree that organisations do have to respond, especially if the accusation is that someone is abusive, but the nature of that response as a process will vary between local and national organisations. Hard, difficult yes, absolutely, but there has to be a response. Where I was going with it was the bit you quoted. The nature of sexual offences make it difficult to come to definitive conclusions that someone didn't do it. It's not one of 'ours', but the Delta thing is the ultimate example of that.
 
ska invita said:
Tbf TWT is a much better funded and staffed event, whereas I expect at the A Bookfair there is an open invitation to put on events from anyone who wants, rather than looking, booking and paying for them.
It does look good though. I wonder who went to it and how well attended it was, post corbyn
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I went for the very first time this weekend. I thought it was great tbh, a few of the panels weren't all that but most of the ones I went to were great, couple had me fizzing with ideas afterwords which carried over to the pub discussion afterwards.

TWT is unfortunately struggling money wise so it may look a lot different in years to come, or may not exist at all. You can kinda tell by looking at this year's linuep to previous years, as this year was mostly panel debates whereas previous years had a lot more art and theatre type stuff as well.

It was a very white and middle class space though. Was also strange that there was a demo on Saturday against a hospital closure, which was backed by a lot of local trade unions and seemingly the trades council, but TWT made no mention of it. The march literally walked past the TWT main venue, they could have easily mentioned it was on or done something to link up.

I'd defs recommend going if they do another one. I'm also tempted to set up a local one in Manchester...
 
Not in public without breaking confidences and dredging up stuff where people got hurt, no. But again, if you have a stake it's not hard to find out. If you don't I refer you to my earlier statements.
 
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No. And frankly if the Urban75 detective club can't find another method of communication to find this stuff out that doesn't involve me spilling personal details of people who aren't here and haven't given permission on public forums you should hang your heads in shame. I won't be responding further.
 
Rob Ray said:
No. And frankly if the Urban75 detective club can't find another method of communication to find this stuff out that doesn't involve me spilling personal details of people who aren't here and haven't given permission on public forums you should hang your heads in shame. I won't be responding further.
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If you wanted to keep this under your hat why did you post the accusation of notoriously inaccurate up then?

You just look like a sleazy fuck throwing dirt now.
 
Rob Ray said:
No. And frankly if the Urban75 detective club can't find another method of communication to find this stuff out that doesn't involve me spilling personal details of people who aren't here and haven't given permission on public forums you should hang your heads in shame. I won't be responding further.
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this section of the udc hasn't started looking yet. i'm not asking for personal details, but evidence of a group being 'notoriously inaccurate'. if the only way you can support the claim is with personal details of individuals then that undermines your claim about an organisation's activities imo. e2a: if this notoriously inaccurate information is the personal details then it's easy enough to say x group lied about a person i won't name to prevent the lies spreading.
 
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hitmouse said:
Manchester bookfair have published their list of talks:

Talks – Manchester & Salford Anarchist Bookfair 2024

bookfair.org.uk bookfair.org.uk
I can't say it looks like the most inspiring line-up, nice to see ontological death chant lad is back though. This time he's deterritorialising.
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Nothing appears to be about workplace or community organising? But maybe I just don't understand the current terminology among anarchists?
 
Dom Traynor said:
Nothing appears to be about workplace or community organising? But maybe I just don't understand the current terminology among anarchists?
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Yeah, all this ‘digital space, malarkey. Bet none of these whippersnappers could even use a duplicator . It’s just not proper anarchisting anymore these days…
 
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