Workers' Girder! Getcher Workers Girder!
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Loins of Fire
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
ProleDem could learn a thing or two from this lot
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/diy-weapons-of-the-syrian-rebels/100461/
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/diy-weapons-of-the-syrian-rebels/100461/
JimW
支那暗杀团
We could call it a Tre-bucket, then. PFWCTrebuchet does sound a little too bourgeois though
Or not:
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bring back the workers petard i reckon.
Red Storm
M14
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
can't help but think PD needs a book, a 'marxism in todays world' style question and answer extended pamphlet. Or a theoretical journal. Something
'You question the integrity of those who disdain meat, yet with this horsemeat scandal and the ongoing horrific nature of factory farming that barbarises worker and animal it seems an untenable position for PD to disagree with vegetarians?'
Well, Barry, what you have to understand is the nature of meat consumption under capitalism. The truth of the industrialised meat process is that it provides workers with something unparalleled in the history of the class- meat, daily and cheaply. It provides the iron stomached worker with a job, usually a well paid one. To suggest it 'barbarises' those workers is gross patronisation. There have and always will be dirty jobs- are we to decide that the proleteriat cannot do such work because it is damaging? For those who take up the bolt-gun and the sharp knife, it is theirs to decide what is viable in line with their own conscience and indeed consciousness.
Now under capitalism we cannot escape the adulteration of process in the name of efficiency, the deskilling and the introduction of horsemeat by the back door- the nil hour contract agency staffing that has untrained workers creating meat slurry from unidentified skinned carcasses. Naturally people are enraged. People want black pudding not black beauty. And this must be addressed.
To sum up PD's overall position on this I'll point you towards the Proleterian Democracy Vegetarian Tendency (PDVT). We know them affectionally as the 'Veg Wedge'
In their upcoming pamphlet 'You meat eating wankers' they will be answering what they see as a cavalier attitude to horsemeat. The pamphlet has been delayed by a mysterious fire which swept their blog, destroying many hours of closely argued wedgist theory. This might be the Vegan semi-splinter in their ranks, but could also be agents of Findus whose unshakable domination of the Crispy Pancake market is threatened by brave cmrds from PDVT
other topics could include the nature of chucklism (wry or not wry? the question facing chucklists today), Manwairing and the Movement, Fissile Entryism.
'You question the integrity of those who disdain meat, yet with this horsemeat scandal and the ongoing horrific nature of factory farming that barbarises worker and animal it seems an untenable position for PD to disagree with vegetarians?'
Well, Barry, what you have to understand is the nature of meat consumption under capitalism. The truth of the industrialised meat process is that it provides workers with something unparalleled in the history of the class- meat, daily and cheaply. It provides the iron stomached worker with a job, usually a well paid one. To suggest it 'barbarises' those workers is gross patronisation. There have and always will be dirty jobs- are we to decide that the proleteriat cannot do such work because it is damaging? For those who take up the bolt-gun and the sharp knife, it is theirs to decide what is viable in line with their own conscience and indeed consciousness.
Now under capitalism we cannot escape the adulteration of process in the name of efficiency, the deskilling and the introduction of horsemeat by the back door- the nil hour contract agency staffing that has untrained workers creating meat slurry from unidentified skinned carcasses. Naturally people are enraged. People want black pudding not black beauty. And this must be addressed.
To sum up PD's overall position on this I'll point you towards the Proleterian Democracy Vegetarian Tendency (PDVT). We know them affectionally as the 'Veg Wedge'
In their upcoming pamphlet 'You meat eating wankers' they will be answering what they see as a cavalier attitude to horsemeat. The pamphlet has been delayed by a mysterious fire which swept their blog, destroying many hours of closely argued wedgist theory. This might be the Vegan semi-splinter in their ranks, but could also be agents of Findus whose unshakable domination of the Crispy Pancake market is threatened by brave cmrds from PDVT
other topics could include the nature of chucklism (wry or not wry? the question facing chucklists today), Manwairing and the Movement, Fissile Entryism.
JimW
支那暗杀团
This bloke seems like a good candidate for guest artist:
Stalin's Atom Bomb a.k.a. Homosexuality: http://www.winkleman.com/artist/seriesview/1056/618
(edited for more on-message pic)
Stalin's Atom Bomb a.k.a. Homosexuality: http://www.winkleman.com/artist/seriesview/1056/618
(edited for more on-message pic)
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
'In your introductory pamphlet to Chucklism you outline well the mutual co-operative nature enshrined in the phrase 'to me-to you'. You correctly identify that the co-operation of Paul and myself as a metaphor for working class solidarity, doomed to farce under capitalist working conditions. This was sharply observed, yet some of your younger theorists have introduced the caveat of wry chucklism. Paul and I are unsure of the cynical nature of this. Perhaps you might explain the position of PD's theoretical scions here?'
Oh Barry! I wish you could have been with us in the function room of the Dog and Duck last thursday when we had this issue hammered out fraternally!
Now chucklism is at base a situationist farce that seeks to lampoon the capitalist while demonstrating the innate co-operation of forces- your brotherhood while biological is a cipher for the brotherhood of the working class desire to do a job well and completely. To build and make, not idle and take.
We are all agreed on that point, but wryness or non wryness throws a spanner into the works- sometimes literally as when DiscoKermit threw a spanner at a metalworking machine last week.
Wryness as you say can be perceived as cynicism- it can be said to 'carry a lamp in daylight'. But the comrades on that fateful thursday assured us that wryness is not so! Wryness is in fact a conscious embracing of chucklism. To be a wry chuckler is to not only embrace the absurdity of capitalist wage labour but to glory in that absurdity.
In many ways I think you are right to be wary of it- were not you and paul doing a fine job of chucklism without having a knowing-nod element to it all? the nod was implied,is implied. But for younger cadres, unsure of when farce meets fact the wryist path provides a bedrock of comfortable ironic posture- BASED IN SOLID CHUCKLE THEORY. In this way we seek to win the hearts and minds of the new fuck-haired stretched earlobed comrades who rely utterly on arch ironiscism and as yet are not sufficiently developed in consciousness to recognize direct chucklism
Oh Barry! I wish you could have been with us in the function room of the Dog and Duck last thursday when we had this issue hammered out fraternally!
Now chucklism is at base a situationist farce that seeks to lampoon the capitalist while demonstrating the innate co-operation of forces- your brotherhood while biological is a cipher for the brotherhood of the working class desire to do a job well and completely. To build and make, not idle and take.
We are all agreed on that point, but wryness or non wryness throws a spanner into the works- sometimes literally as when DiscoKermit threw a spanner at a metalworking machine last week.
Wryness as you say can be perceived as cynicism- it can be said to 'carry a lamp in daylight'. But the comrades on that fateful thursday assured us that wryness is not so! Wryness is in fact a conscious embracing of chucklism. To be a wry chuckler is to not only embrace the absurdity of capitalist wage labour but to glory in that absurdity.
In many ways I think you are right to be wary of it- were not you and paul doing a fine job of chucklism without having a knowing-nod element to it all? the nod was implied,is implied. But for younger cadres, unsure of when farce meets fact the wryist path provides a bedrock of comfortable ironic posture- BASED IN SOLID CHUCKLE THEORY. In this way we seek to win the hearts and minds of the new fuck-haired stretched earlobed comrades who rely utterly on arch ironiscism and as yet are not sufficiently developed in consciousness to recognize direct chucklism
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/01/denni...-love-kim-jong-un-hes-really-awesome-3522730/
I think this belongs here.
I think this belongs here.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I think you're right - real life often succeeds where parody fails. I can imagine topical comedians attempting some humour out of it but reading Rodman's words are enough.
As are the hallowed words of the heirs of the Fourth International:
The colonial liberation victories, the 1917 Revolution, Workers States like Cuba and Revolutionary States like Venezuela, explain the total crisis of capitalism. The mysteries of the market have gone. Since Marx, the economy, culture, art and intelligence have grown outside the bounds of capitalism, mirroring the continuous inventions and the technological advances.
The capitalist class has never needed another war so much as it does today. Destroy and you get a ‘boom’! But another world war is world revolution. Deep down, the financial and economic crisis of capitalism are only facets of its social crisis.
The blind and automatic confidence of the gambler financier is giving way to the conscious confidence that builds Revolutionary States in the world - even in the teeth of the nuclear threat. The Nationalist Revolution to the Workers State did not start with Castro’s movement, but with Stalingrad. At Stalingrad, Russians did not crush Germans: The Workers’ State crushed Nazism, and new revolutions came.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Nanothermite bombs for the epic win, comrades 
Comrade Panda regrets that he failed to requisition any useful fissionable materials while entering Guy's undercover as an Outpatient receiving an MRI scan.
However, sources can confirm that we clearly have a mole in Radiology etc given that at least three workers studiously ignored Comrade Panda's Proletarian Democracy T shirt, which was clearly visible under his shirt, to the interested eye.
However, sources can confirm that we clearly have a mole in Radiology etc given that at least three workers studiously ignored Comrade Panda's Proletarian Democracy T shirt, which was clearly visible under his shirt, to the interested eye.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
SWP - join us on the road to a workers world!
PD and the international working class welcomes the signs of a healthy new beginning for the SWP.
Perhaps as it stands fore square with Martin Smith in his rejection of bourgeois morality, and shows the door to the degenerate elements rallying behind the reactionary liberal banner of 'the personal is political', the SWP can make itself fit for the task of proletarian revolution?
Only time will tell, but PD holds itself ready to enter into serious negotiations with those best elements who have been tested by the fire and not found themselves wanting.
We are ready, willing and able to help you develop the revolutionary consciousness that the international proletariat are crying out for. But be warned failure to take your responsibilities seriously, will see you condemned to slide back into the counter revolutionary swamp from which you have so recently emerged.
The personal isn't political!
Down with bourgeois morality!
PD and the international working class welcomes the signs of a healthy new beginning for the SWP.
Perhaps as it stands fore square with Martin Smith in his rejection of bourgeois morality, and shows the door to the degenerate elements rallying behind the reactionary liberal banner of 'the personal is political', the SWP can make itself fit for the task of proletarian revolution?
Only time will tell, but PD holds itself ready to enter into serious negotiations with those best elements who have been tested by the fire and not found themselves wanting.
We are ready, willing and able to help you develop the revolutionary consciousness that the international proletariat are crying out for. But be warned failure to take your responsibilities seriously, will see you condemned to slide back into the counter revolutionary swamp from which you have so recently emerged.
The personal isn't political!
Down with bourgeois morality!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
forever the lumpen layer will be forced to queue at the '13 items or less' aisle. Forever their baskets will be filled with microwave meals for one and copies of bourgeois papers! Indeed Louis in your righteous polemic you have forgotten your traditional sign off
Cheers
Barry Chuckle
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
DC I did not forget anything.
I was merely the conduit for the PD leadership in their overture to the SWP; it would have been self seeking individualism for me to have tried to gain from the wise words of my betters.
I'm a little disappointed and surprised that you didn't work this out for yourself; I have made a note and passed it on to the relevant committee.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
why are you surprised comrade? Consciousness is lagging behind events and it is no surprise that this includes the consciousness of whether something from the PD central committee is self seeking individualism or not.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Blowjobs for members of the CC?
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Will you split over sexual misconduct? Will creeping feminism destroy the best hope of the working classes or will the misogynists be cast out into the dark as oppression is valiantly combatted? Only YOU can decide, Comrade! (Well, also the dice. The dice have quite a lot of say in this game...)
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thought i saw a PD cadre with a bring back the poll tax t-shirt on last night.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Also saw some smash workers shops graffiti.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Comrade, bringing back the poll tax would be an excellent transitional step towards socialism, it would piss everyone off so much they would have no choice but to create a revolution. In addition the creation of a universal tax of the same amount on everyone is a bridge towards a classless society where everyone earns and is paid exactly the same money!
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they need hot chocolate lenins
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Really?
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