Who will win the 2024 US election?

[Wilf]

Right then - what is the answer? If the idea of a woman - or indeed a black woman - as President is unpalatable due to this notion of identity politics being to blame - for what exactly I am not sure.... then what is the solution?

I can't really see that an endless succession of ageing, wealthy, right-wing white men occupying the White House is truly the answer and yet this is what is placed there almost every time.

Why should there not be a woman, or a Muslim, or a Jew, or a Hispanic, or a trans-man as President?

Why on earth do you think I might be of that opinion??

 

[Rompipalle]

You're not listening to what people are telling you.

Nobody is saying that there should not be any of those.

Well, not on here quite clearly but it's glaringly apparent that those who actually have a vote in the US feel very differently.

They'd rather have a 34x convicted felon in the White House, so there's something very badly wrong in the USA

So I ask again, what is the answer?

 

[Rompipalle]

Why on earth do you think I might be of that opinion??

FFS! Did I say you were?

No I did not.

Why is everyone taking this so bloody personally. These are generalised questions - I'm not accusing anyone on here of holding these opinions

 

[andysays]

Right then - what is the answer? If the idea of a woman - or indeed a black woman - as President is unpalatable due to this notion of identity politics being to blame - for what exactly I am not sure.... then what is the solution?

I can't really see that an endless succession of ageing, wealthy, right-wing white men occupying the White House is truly the answer and yet this is what is placed there almost every time.

Why should there not be a woman, or a Muslim, or a Jew, or a Hispanic, or a trans-man as President?

As others have already pointed out, no one is saying this.

The idea that's being challenged is that anyone should voted for a candidate simply because they're a woman or black, or any other "minority" demographic.

 

[brogdale]

hmm i don't think most voter thought as much about life under successive neo-liberal regimes as otherwise vote for Business man who is just Neo-Liberalism without the sugar coating and lies

the vote for Trump as they have less money in their pocket and that the main concern.. the Economy was voted for .. not Democracy..

they take a fucking Nazi prick as long as they got money in the back pocket.. people are that shit


Edit to add ** happy thoughts Ax^ Happy Thoughts**

Yeah, but the US electorate, and UK for that matter, only have variants of parties supporting the neoliberal turn. I suppose Trump particularly appeals to the GOP as he can garner support for a party intent on accelerating neoliberal change. Obviously, if that were obvious to the electorate, the appeal would be minimal so a convincing liar is essential and one that can fabricate solidarity against the sneering liberal establishment (who merely want to preserve neoliberalism) is gold-dust. Add in all the bigotry that can appeal to the basest interests encouraged by the billionaire media and you have the winning formula.

 

[not a trot]

https://tvrdb.com/listings/1972-11-08

Don't know what Tyne Tees viewers were expecting to see in 1972.

 

[Rompipalle]

As others have already pointed out, no one is saying this.

The idea that's being challenged is that anyone should voted for a candidate simply because they're a woman or black, or any other "minority" demographic.

I'd have voted for a stuffed rabbit rather than Trump.

It makes no difference whether Harris was a woman, black, a cardboard cut-out or an alien from Saturn. She would still have been a better option than that corrupt, revolting, incontinent old windbag.

But for reasons which are completely inexplicable - they voted for that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

FFS! Did I say you were?

No I did not.

Why is everyone taking this so bloody personally. These are generalised questions - I'm not accusing anyone on here of holding these opinions

The point is quite a simple one. "She's a black woman" is not a reason, in and of itself, to vote for her. Hence my first reply to you where I facetiously called on us all to support Badenoch.

The US is a polarised and divided society. Voting patterns do vary massively along ethnic lines in ways that are not fully explained by the sharing of economic interests. That's one of the problems here, of course.

 

[maomao]

They'd rather have a 34x convicted felon in the White House,

I mean I don't like Trump, but it was just some business nonsense, they're all at it. The word 'felon' doesn't carry some weight of its own beyond the court case. Screeching 34 x felon over and over again is just hysterical liberal shit. Would you not vote for someone you otherwise approved of just because of a court conviction?

 

[Rompipalle]

The point is quite a simple one. "She's a black woman" is not a reason, in and of itself, to vote for her. Hence my first reply to you where I facetiously called on us all to support Badenoch.

The US is a polarised and divided society. Voting patterns do vary massively along ethnic lines in ways that are not fully explained by the sharing of economic interests. That's one of the problems here, of course.

Yes, she's a black woman but she is also a more qualified and appropriate person to have as President.

It remains the case though that the US's bigoted and misogynistic society would apparently not permit them to take the step of electing her because she's a black woman - and instead they'd rather have a disgusting lying rapist in charge.

That just says it all.

 

[Rompipalle]

I mean I don't like Trump, but it was just some business nonsense, they're all at it. The word 'felon' doesn't carry some weight of its own beyond the court case. Screeching 34 x felon over and over again is just hysterical liberal shit. Would you not vote for someone you otherwise approved of just because of a court conviction?

Screeching?

Seriously?

Piss off.

 

[Wilf]

https://tvrdb.com/listings/1972-11-08

Don't know what Tyne Tees viewers were expecting to see in 1972.

Well, Tricky Dicky did win that year...

 

[Ax^]

I mean I don't like Trump, but it was just some business nonsense, they're all at it. The word 'felon' doesn't carry some weight of its own beyond the court case. Screeching 34 x felon over and over again is just hysterical liberal shit. Would you not vote for someone you otherwise approved of just because of a court conviction?

tbf mother fucker attacked the capital building and trying to turn over the last election.. i think you point was if you were still going to vote for the fella after that then nothing was going to change your mind

 

[planetgeli]

https://tvrdb.com/listings/1972-11-08

Don't know what Tyne Tees viewers were expecting to see in 1972.

I had to look twice but

Thx for the only thing that has brought a smile to my face today.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It remains the case though that the US's bigoted and misogynistic society would apparently not permit them to take the step of electing her because she's a black woman - and instead they'd rather have a disgusting lying rapist in charge.

You're making a different point now, tbf. How much of a role did racism and misogyny play in Harris's defeat? That's a fair question. I don't know.

 

[Rompipalle]

You're making a different point now, tbf. How much of a role did racism and misogyny play in Harris's defeat? That's a fair question. I don't know.

Rather a lot, it appears.

 

[Rompipalle]

Instead, the hooting, hollering jackasses in the US have elected a malignant narcissist with a list of grievances you could wrap round the globe twice and a shitload of scores to settle before he bothers his capacious arse to do anything constructive for the country.

… and you can forget entirely about anything being done to cool the situation globally either. After all, he has to suck up to all the other toxic, corrupt dictators around the world.

 

[belboid]

I can't see at a quick look around, have the shits won the house as well? Thus controlling all three exec branches. We need one small, small, mercy.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Rather a lot, it appears.

It would be foolish to dismiss the idea that this was a major causal factor. But also foolish to assume this and stop looking at other causes.

But fuck it. I'm giving everyone a free pass today. It's all fucking fucked. Fucking let it out.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I can't see at a quick look around, have the shits won the house as well? Thus controlling all three exec branches. We need one small, small, mercy.

I believe so, yes. Trump has a trifecta. Maximum power, maximum damage.

 

[maomao]

Screeching?

Seriously?

Piss off.

That's how your recent posts have come across. Screechy.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You're making a different point now, tbf. How much of a role did racism and misogyny play in Harris's defeat? That's a fair question. I don't know.

Do you think that there is much difference between American people and British people?

The Conservative party has had a black leader, an Asian leader and now four women leaders.

The Labour party has had none of these things... is Labour racist and misogynistic? Or is it simply choosing the best person for the job?

 

[kebabking]

I can't see at a quick look around, have the shits won the house as well? Thus controlling all three exec branches. We need one small, small, mercy.

Supreme court as well - unchecked power, and unchecked hatred.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well, this is all rather shit.

Think it’s time to log off from the news, stop worrying about things I can’t change, and concentrate on just trying to make my small corner of the world as good as I can for those in it.

What other choice is there?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Yes, it’s hard to overstate how much power Trump and his advisers will have. There are no checks and balances. The US populace will experience the full wrath of Trump’s hatred and the full wrath of his advisers’ fanaticism.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

But for reasons which are completely inexplicable - they voted for that.

Wanting to be financially better off is not inexplicable to most people.

 

[Cid]

I can't see at a quick look around, have the shits won the house as well? Thus controlling all three exec branches. We need one small, small, mercy.

Still a lot left to be decided, but given that the GOP have gained one seat and were the incumbent majority, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can't see at a quick look around, have the shits won the house as well? Thus controlling all three exec branches. We need one small, small, mercy.

That's not how this works. The best we can hope for is a storm of ozian proportions whisking trump, vance and their most likely successors off the podium at the inauguration

 

[PTK]

I can't see at a quick look around, have the shits won the house as well? Thus controlling all three exec branches. We need one small, small, mercy.

The House and the Senate are the legislative branch, not part of the executive.

 

[PTK]

This is one of those days when you can text simply "Jesus Fucking Christ" to a friend, and they will know what you mean.