Who will win the 2024 US election?

[_Russ_]

No, Reddit is the place for circlejerks. Unless U75 policy has changed

No change circle jerks always been ok here as long as its the right subject (see any trans thread)

 

[Smokeandsteam]

These two get an estimated £70k a month for their reputation laundering podcasts, plus the sell out live tours. Absolute clueless centrist twaddle excuse for analysis.

The dumb and dumber of political analysis.

They understand nothing. They have no answers for anything. The rise of the populist right is directly a result of their political neo liberal experiment.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Really only one thing matters here, last time Trump was in office, he tried to overthrow democracy! That should be enough to deprive him of his liberty, not to mention his ability to run for office. That people voted for a would-be dictator is the story here, his vs Harris policy disagreements is so far downstream of that…

 

[PTK]

I think that's certainly true. However, seeing a shift away from the Dems among Black and other groups of voters is significant.

Edit, though I should probably absorb the figures on the ethnic breakdown of the voted quoted upthread before making such claims.

I don't see how anyone can say for certain today how particular "ethnic" groups voted in the US Presidential election. There was a Republican woman on Radio 4 this morning saying that in one place a certain percentage of Hispanics [edit to correct typo] voted for Trump. She cannot possibly know that.

 

[Rob Ray]

I still believe that it's not unreasonable that black working class men might have more in common with a black woman - regardless of her socio-economic class or her educational background/career - than a rich white bloke who has never got his hands dirty in his entire life and who has always had everything handed to him on a plate.

At least Harris got to where she is by her own academics achievements and efforts.

Over time it doesn't matter what you have in common personally with a given demographic if your actual job is to reproduce the status quo. Maybe you can help some individuals, maybe you can't. And maybe you can change a few minds in the cohort around you, maybe you can't. But the structure endures. Proudhon was explaining this way back in the 1840s when he described his experience going into government in France as an outright revolutionary:

I entered the National Assembly with the timidity of a child, with the ardour of a neophyte. Assiduous, from nine o’clock in the morning, at the meetings of bureaux and committees, I did not quit the Assembly until the evening, and then I was exhausted with fatigue and disgust. As soon as I set foot in the parliamentary Sinai, I ceased to be in touch with the masses; because I was absorbed by my legislative work, I entirely lost sight of the current of events. I knew nothing, either of the situation of the national workshops, or the policy of the government, or of the intrigues that were growing up in the heart of the Assembly. One must have lived in that isolator which is called a National Assembly to realize how the men who are most completely ignorant of the state of the country are almost always those who represent it ... Most of my colleagues of the left and the extreme left were in the same perplexity of mind, the same ignorance of daily facts. One spoke of the national workshops only with a kind of terror, for fear of the people is the sickness of all those who belong to authority; the people, for those in power, are the enemy.

 

[Ax^]

is trump not the triumph of the neo liberal experiment just with more direct racism

 

[Kaka Tim]

Want to kill that fucking baby hippo now ...

 

[Larry O'Hara]

These two get an estimated £70k a month for their reputation laundering podcasts, plus the sell out live tours. Absolute clueless centrist twaddle excuse for analysis.



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Of course Campbell is warmongering scum: never forget/never forgive

 

[Ax^]

Want to kill that fucking octopus...

fuck that little hippo bastard

 

[krtek a houby]

No change circle jerks always been ok here as long as its the right subject (see any trans thread)

 

[tommers]

Just a bunch of evil apes duking it out on a giant ball.

 

[editor]

Thanks for your succinct and ever to the point input, no one is supporting paddy power here.

You're posting up their fucking adverts

 

[danny la rouge]

No change circle jerks always been ok here as long as its the right subject (see any trans thread)

Punctuate, please. Then we can at least understand what you’re being bigoted about.

 

[ID47]

You're posting up their fucking adverts

I can't reply to you what I think about you and your 'politics' as you are a moderator and possibly even own this site.

So I'll leave it with a simple fuck you.

 

[chandlerp]

I hope she died knowing Kamala Harris was going to be the next President

 

[Boo Radley75]

His first state visit to the UK is going to be weird. The people shouting loudest about kicking out foreign criminals and rapists will be, not only welcoming the convicted criminal and rapist to our country with open arms but enthusiastic about spending millions on giving him the full VIP treatment. A situation too bizarre for even Black Mirror.

Oh, I see elsewhere that people are dragging up our foreign secretary's historic remarks about Trump. Just like to say, if David Lammy wants to trash talk a foreign rapist, I am completely comfortable and fine with it.

 

[Idris2002]

Urban's finest:

 

[editor]

No change circle jerks always been ok here as long as its the right subject (see any trans thread)

This is NOT the thread to bring up trans issues.

 

[dshl]

You're posting up their fucking adverts

It was about people's perceptions and fears around big business and globalism - how they fear it, then buy into it for their own benefit and finally are victims of what they bought into. That's why I believe it was posted.

Not sure what Paddy Power's point was though.

 

[ohmyliver]

Just a bunch of evil apes duking it out on a giant ball.

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ahhh Disco Eluysium

 

[marty21]

oh give him time he only just got re elected.. he'll work on it
expect a crisis of some sort to raise it head in about 2 years to start laying the ground work for him pulling an FDR

He'll be 82 by the next election - can't see him being able to win that, even if he somehow manages to change the constitution - plus there will be repubs who won't want to abandon the 2 term maximum, as it could allow a future democrat to do 3 or more terms.

 

[Plumdaff]

ahhh Disco Eluysium

I'm going to hammer the Pyrholidon and Commodore Red this evening

 

[Wilf]

He'll be 82 by the next election - can't see him being able to win that, even if he somehow manages to change the constitution - plus there will be repubs who won't want to abandon the 2 term maximum, as it could allow a future democrat to do 3 or more terms.

I agree with all that, though they might want him as a kind of 'honorary president', the mythical figure who destroyed the Dems (while all the real work gets done by Vance et al. Though, equally, Vance wouldn't want to wait another 4 years). But yeah, even in Trumpworld, I suspect the barriers to achieving constitutional change are too high. I mean, it's not as if he's packed the Supreme Court...

 

[Wilf]

A last bit of depression before I abandon this thread for a while: the Democrats lost the fucking popular vote.

 

[Plumdaff]

I suspect the real project here is not to guarantee Dictator Trump, but to ensure the already skewed electoral and legal system delivers on going Republican (read white, male, oligarch) control in the face of demographic change. The end of even token democracy, but nothing so crass as stopping votes or a Trump third term.

 

[marty21]

I agree with all that, though they might want him as a kind of 'honorary president', the mythical figure who destroyed the Dems (while all the real work gets done by Vance et al. Though, equally, Vance wouldn't want to wait another 4 years). But yeah, even in Trumpworld, I suspect the barriers to achieving constitutional change are too high. I mean, it's not as if he's packed the Supreme Court...

It needs to he approved by 2/3 of the states .

 

[brogdale]

Could be quite a consequential turn of the head...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Urban's finest:

Not sure if this idiot is on Urban 75 but here, as a form of praxis, he is writing off the majority of American people.

The authoritarian censorious backlash of elite liberals at they enter their death throes is inevitable.

 

[Ax^]

Not sure if this idiot is on Urban 75 but here, as a form of praxis, he is writing off the majority of American people.

The authoritarian censorious backlash of elite liberals at they enter their death throes is inevitable.

well as long as we don't have trump fans coming on here crowing about the victory

 

[krtek a houby]

well as long as we don't have trump fans coming on here crowing about the victory

am sure dwyer will be along shortly