Who will win the 2024 US election?

[Idris2002]

I think it's charmingly naive of you to think there'll be any more elections...

Oh there will be elections, they'll just be between fake parties of the old East German model - on paper the DDR had multiple parties. They just had no independent existence. . .

Or there's the post-1948 South African model - the National Party had no real competition from the moribund and obsolete United Party, the original South African Labour Party had collapsed years before, the later liberal parties were more "boutique" parties for a niche segment of the more affluent white population.

Neither regime exited via the ballot box, but by the REVOLUTIONARY ACTION OF THE BROAD MASSES. I'm sorry did I type that out loud?

 

[spitfire]

Trump is gonna win.

Called it.

 

[Protag]

The Huffpo are having a tizzy fit, as per expected:

Opinion: ‘We’re Not Going Back’ Wasn’t Just A Campaign Slogan, It Was A Promise

The 2024 election is just the beginning of the fight for our lives.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

"Fight for our lives". Probably more Reddit posts from bourgeois bohemians or something like that. Yeah, that will do it.

It is difficult to get too excited about the latest drama in the imperial plutocracy. I think it prefers dumbass politicians and an ignorant mandarin class, so this drama will continue for quite a while.

 

[MickiQ]

If Putin takes Ukraine and probably a chunk of Moldova, and has Chinese economic backing and a friendly US going out of their way to cause divisions in Europe by backing far right parties and giving money and political backing to the likes of Orban's Hungary, it won't take him long to gather up a force to conquer a country like Latvia with 1/25th of Ukraine's population and not far off 1/10th the size.

I suspect the governments of the Baltic States are bricking it at the moment. I can't imagine Trump going to war with Russia over somewhere he can't find on a map no matter what the NATO Treaty says.
Today is a very depressing day, I wasn't expecting anything great from a Harris Presidency but I do expect chaos from a Trump one.
I think I might follow cupid_stunt and get drunk but the Shitgibbon will still have won when i'm nursing a hangover.

 

[Rompipalle]

I believe you’re taking me the opposite way to the one I intend.

My point is that expecting black people to vote according to race is racist.

I don't think it was necessarily an expectation but rather some surprise that a black man - particularly one who feels marginalised or disadvantaged within his own society - might not have more shared experience with a black woman that he might with a rich, white guy who has never known a day's hardship in his entire life?

 

[ID47]

I believe you’re taking me the opposite way to the one I intend.

My point is that expecting black people to vote according to race is racist.

I'm divided on that tbh

 

[cupid_stunt]

spitfire said: Trump is gonna win.
Called it.

That post of yours, that you quoted took me to this...

The women will win it for Kamala.

Called it, my arse!

 

[Protag]

Guffaw:

The thought of a Trump presidency is eating me alive | Francine Prose

I look the way people do outside the intensive care unit, as they wait to learn whether a friend will survive. Our friend, in this case, is democracy, says Francine Prose, a former president of PEN American Center

www.theguardian.com

Having such faith in the US Democrats is simply dumbfounding. Get back to Reddit!

 

[andysays]

Straight white men apparently. No one seems to be surprised at that or blaming them.

There's an interesting demographic breakdown here

US election 2024 in maps and charts​

Tempting though it might be to suggest it's all down to straight white men, the reality is a little more nuanced

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't think it was necessarily an expectation but rather some surprise that a black man - particularly one who feels marginalised or disadvantaged within his own society - might have more shared experience with a black woman that he might with a rich, white guy who has never known a day's hardship in his entire life?

Yeah, and that’s my point. What does an unemployed black man in a deprived community have in common with a lawyer who has held high positions in the legal establishment?

That’s the problem right there.

 

[Rompipalle]

One of the most upsetting things about all of this remains the very real prospect that he is probably now not going to be sentenced for his 34 felony crimes.

I hope President Biden and a bunch of clever legal minds can somehow work some magic there but I don't know if it is even possible.

That piece of disgusting orange crap is more than likely going to get away with it and that is utterly outrageous.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Yes, but you speak Esperanto like a native.

tre amuza

 

[spitfire]

That post of yours, that you quoted took me to this...



Called it, my arse!

I coulda got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids old men.

 

[Rimbaud]

Putin already has part of Moldova with Transnistria and has no desire to occupy the entire Ukraine, worst case scenario probably like this linguistic breakdown: View attachment 449948

Did you forget that massive convoy from Belarus heading to Kyiv passing through a good chunk of the yellow bit? Reasonable chance that if Putin takes Kyiv Hungary will then take the part of Ukraine that they claim. Diplomats from Czechia and Poland have reported Russia asking them to carve up Ukraine so very likely Hungary has had the same conversation.

Forming a land bridge to Transnistria as a prelude to formal annexation of that region could well lead to occupying Moldova too to prevent them joining the EU and/or NATO, it would be naive to think it would never happen.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm divided on that tbh

Really? In what sense?

 

[Dom Traynor]

I thought Kamala could do it - clearly she couldn't , actually woke up at 3am and watched some of the results - BBC was awful, so switched to C4 and that was more palatable . Trump can only do one term though - his age (82 in 2028?) and the constitution stops him, he'd have to get a constitutional amendment overturned and a new one agreed - and I don't think he has the states to do that.

Lucky he doesn't have an actual fascist as VP

 

[spitfire]

It's going to be Trump, by fair means or foul.

You know that, I know that. Just go to bed and come back in the morning.

(And just so we're clear - not a fan)

You had to get it right this one time didn't you?

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think I might follow cupid_stunt and get drunk but the Shitgibbon will still have won when i'm nursing a hangover.

I am not in the pub yet, I decided a 9am start was too much*, I'll be there at noon.


* To be seen drinking in public, I'll just have one more can before going.

 

[Ax^]

I think it's charmingly naive of you to think there'll be any more elections...

hmm so what crisis do we think he going to pull out of his arse in 4 years to pull an fdr what we reckon a full civil war

 

[Jeff Robinson]

In other shithole news today, Nazi garbage dump Florida embraces state-forced pregnancies:

 

[kebabking]

Yeah, and that’s my point. What does an unemployed black man in a deprived community have in common with a lawyer who has held high positions in the legal establishment?

That’s the problem right there.

I mean they probably share views on whether it should be open season on black people for American police departments....

It's not just economics.

 

[Maltin]

Yeah, and that’s my point. What does an unemployed black man in a deprived community have in common with a lawyer who has held high positions in the legal establishment?

That’s the problem right there.

What does he have in common with a racist billionaire?

As per the post above yours, 86% of black voters chose Harris so a sizeable proportion felt more in common with the lawyer.

 

[Rompipalle]

Yeah, and that’s my point. What does an unemployed black man in a deprived community have in common with a lawyer who has held high positions in the legal establishment?

That’s the problem right there.

Well, until the US facilitates the elevation of non-college educated blue-collar workers into positions of political influence, it will never change.

What is necessary in order to get on in US politics is purely about money - either your own or preferably someone else's. What has been proven today is that you don't even need a proper education or any useful skills, such as diplomacy, empathy, statesmanship or an understanding of how society works.

You just need to be a liar, rich and a flatulent old windbag.

 

[ID47]

Really? In what sense?

Solidarity, but obviously not in the case of the likes of Badenoch etc.

 

[andysays]

I’ll try.

We know this. But you’re asking why people would be desperate enough to vote this way. Well, because they are desperate. And because “business as usual” messages don’t play well when “usual” is unbearable.

It's "why did people vote for Brexit?" all over again

 

[PursuedByBears]

If I was Zelenskyy I'd be keeping a fully fuelled helicopter on standby now, he can't be long for this world if he stays put in Kyiv

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, until the US facilitates the elevation of non-college educated blue-collar workers into positions of political influence, it will never change.

And I think we still disagree here. 120 years of the Labour Party in the UK shows that the strategy of getting working class representation changed the representatives not the power structures.

 

[kebabking]

hmm so what crisis do we think he going to pull out of his arse in 4 years to pull an fdr what we reckon a full civil war

I don't think he/they needs a crisis - I think they have an administrative/political/judicial plan and four years with the leavers of power to ensure that they won't face a meaningful election again.

They've got Congress, Senate, and the Supreme Court - what else do they need?

 

[danny la rouge]

Solidarity, but obviously not in the case of the likes of Badenoch etc.

Well, and Harris?

 

[dshl]

Trump and Farage are the symptoms. The cancer is elite liberalism and the neo liberal economic, political and cultural order of the last 45 years.

Yes, in the sense that this election is mainly driven by perceptions about leftist globalist elites, mistrust, the 'build back better', 'you'll own nothing and be happy' type/Bill Gates buying farms to control our food, new forms of censorship, etc, vibe - just a chilling high-tech dystopia - at the very least existing in the minds and fears of many people.

So in response to this perception the right got themselves some billionaires, Trump, Musk and co and big influencers on their side. It's now our elites versus your elites; our billionaires vs your billionaires; and a perceived battle of nationalism vs globalism.

I go back far enough to know when football first became 'my multimillionaire owner versus your multimillionaire owner'. I don't know if it's a great analogy but it feels as though there was a globalist switch over with football - and coincided with my not renewing my season ticket anymore.