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Who will win the 2024 US election?

Who will win?


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I just don't fucking know. I guess all I do know is that a clear and straightforward Harris win is not one of the options. A murky (entirely because of GOP) and queasy outcome in her favour is a possibility, as is a legitimate but horrifying slight edge in by Trump.
 
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According to Newsnight just now, we could have a fair idea of the winner as early as Wednesday lunchtime UK time. (Obviously depends on how close it is in key states but I'm a bit surprised it could be that early.)

Eta And what a fucker Santorum is. I mean we did know this but I at least had managed to forget he'd ever existed.
 
According to Newsnight just now, we could have a fair idea of the winner as early as Wednesday lunchtime UK time. (Obviously depends on how close it is in key states but I'm a bit surprised it could be that early.)
Arizona announced its result within six hours of the polls closing last time. If it isn’t as neck and neck as the polls are saying (& I suspect it isn’t, it’s just the pollsters being cowardly) then we could have a strong idea of the result before breakfast!
 
Arizona announced its result within six hours of the polls closing last time. If it isn’t as neck and neck as the polls are saying (& I suspect it isn’t, it’s just the pollsters being cowardly) then we could have a strong idea of the result before breakfast!
I need some coffee first!

So, which way do you think it'll go?

(My American colleagues reckon Arizonans (sp) are weird. Apparently they don't change their clocks -- some court ruled they had to but they all just ignored it or something.)
 
There'll be exit polls for indiv states or perhaps counties (districts even) as soon as the polls close. So 3 am onwards over here, for the Eastern seaboard?
 
Still not sure how I'm spending my election night yet. On hols so I can stay up as late as I like, offering my insightful commentary, but I'm enjoying my book so I may just lie in bed eating Haribo and dip between that and Sky News.
 
(My American colleagues reckon Arizonans (sp) are weird. Apparently they don't change their clocks -- some court ruled they had to but they all just ignored it or something.)
Except the Navajo Nation (partly inside AZ) do observe savings time.

Hawaii and the US island territories don't observe savings time. Until 2006 some counties in Indiana didn't either.
 
There'll be exit polls for indiv states or perhaps counties (districts even) as soon as the polls close. So 3 am onwards over here, for the Eastern seaboard?
can't we say east coast? the yanks say 'seaboard' because they think it sounds grander. or something.

Also, polls close at either 8 or 9pm over there, so the very first announcements should start shortly after 1.
 
I need some coffee first!

So, which way do you think it'll go?
I have absolutely no idea, beyond it not being as close as currently predicted. I'm more hopeful of a Harris win than I was a week ago, if absolutely forced to choose I would say her, but I wouldn't be at all surprised by Trump winning all, or all but one, of the swing states.
(My American colleagues reckon Arizonans (sp) are weird. Apparently they don't change their clocks -- some court ruled they had to but they all just ignored it or something.)
Time Bandits ahoy!
 
I have absolutely no idea, beyond it not being as close as currently predicted. I'm more hopeful of a Harris win than I was a week ago, if absolutely forced to choose I would say her, but I wouldn't be at all surprised by Trump winning all, or all but one, of the swing states.
TBF that is what most models seem to be predicting - a wide, flat distribution of results that are centred around a toss-up. The single most likely Trump or Harris win's according to the most recent 538 simulations have them win by ~90 EC votes.
 
I'm afraid I'm far less sanguine about what the polling says - because I'm less convinced than ever that the votes matter.

I'm afraid I take the view that radicalised MAGA activist penetration of the district & state electoral system is such that the votes in those places just don't matter, that all that matters is who runs the elections, and who counts the votes, and who decides what those votes mean.

I'm not particularly convinced that who wins the election is relevant to the question of who is going to be president come the end of January.
 
I'm afraid I'm far less sanguine about what the polling says - because I'm less convinced than ever that the votes matter.

I'm afraid I take the view that radicalised MAGA activist penetration of the district & state electoral system is such that the votes in those places just don't matter, that all that matters is who runs the elections, and who counts the votes, and who decides what those votes mean.

I'm not particularly convinced that who wins the election is relevant to the question of who is going to be president come the end of January.

Some country needs to issue a statement not recognising the elections as being fair and free
 
The first result is in, from a wobble-top town called Dixville Notch, that has just 6 voters, all votes were in within 15 minutes of the poll opening, so they've been able to declare - 3 for Harris / 3 for Trump.

I kid you not. :D



The hi-tech scoreboard -

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The first result is in, from a wobble-top town called Dixville Notch, that has just 6 voters, all votes were in within 15 minutes of the poll opening, so they've been able to declare - 3 for Harris / 3 for Trump.

I kid you not. :D


Was 5-0 Biden last time!
 
The first result is in, from a wobble-top town called Dixville Notch, that has just 6 voters, all votes were in within 15 minutes of the poll opening, so they've been able to declare - 3 for Harris / 3 for Trump.

I kid you not. :D



The hi-tech scoreboard -

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Rigged!!!!!
 
I reckon the surge of early voting is Trumpists. They have the energy and motivation and the campaign is working hard on social media and podcasts etc. to build grievances and get out the vote. They’re specifically targeting those who don’t usually vote, just like the Brexit campaign, and it will work. Forget about half-empty stadiums, that’s old politics. Trump will take the popular vote too.
 
The first result is in, from a wobble-top town called Dixville Notch, that has just 6 voters, all votes were in within 15 minutes of the poll opening, so they've been able to declare - 3 for Harris / 3 for Trump.

I kid you not. :D



The hi-tech scoreboard -

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I demand a recount
 
Was 5-0 Biden last time!
None of the voters were registered democrats (think it was four republican and two independents). All voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries.

Comparisons with last time don’t quite work because three of the voters weren’t registered at this place last time round.

But anyway, have fun extrapolating from these numbers!
 
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