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What's the Spartacist League up to these days?

there is of course the classic moment in 1919 I think when Scottish militants hatched a plan to seize power...on the same day as a Celtic-Rangers match.

I have to ask: who were these militants? I've never heard this story before. Half of me wants to believe it because historically one of the Celtic Rangers games in 1919 would have been on January 1st, so it would have been a perfect time 'cos most people would have been either hungover or still pissed.
 
Thanks for the responses in this thread. Particularly the links to the enquiry. The Sparts were infiltrated by the police, but the enquiry seems to be an exercise in obscuring what happened. I have my suspicions about who was passing info to the cops, but I'll never know for sure.

Trying to understand the Sparts as a political phenomena is akin to thinking of Jimmy Saville as a TV personality who raised money for charity. The Sparts politics were a cover for abusive behaviour, a convenient rationale for driving at least two people to their deaths, and damaging the emotional/psychological health of many others. Robertson was a sociopath who found a way to support himself financially while indulging his perverse emotional desires. This is the story of the Spartacist League.
 
Just on the question of football and Trotskyism , my mind went back to Italia 90 and the intervention of the SWPs Central Committee in Harlesden Branch . A very concerned Sheila McGregor phoned me and some other comrades expressing concern about key and experienced members non attendance at some educational meeting which the district had organised failing to take into consideration the World Cup fixtures . I think we were into game 2 or 3 if the group staged . She got a sort of verbal shrug of the shoulders . Cometh the branch meeting and cometh Chris Bamberry who talked passionately about the necessary of routine , commitment to the struggle and pointed out that Scottish comrades had had full attendance , glut of new members and record paper sales .’Why?’ He asked , ‘was this branch different ‘.One new comrade wearing an England shirt ( oblivious to Bamberry’s position partly due to him not being familiar with the great and the good and partly because we’d met for a pre branch drink ) patiently explained that Scotland were going out in the group stage so it didn’t really matter to those comrades but England were still in it . Bamberry wasn’t as impressed as the new comrade thought he might be and immediately denounced the need to ‘Stamp out the Terry Butcher faction’ that was clearly holding back building the party in North West London .
For some reason this reminded me of ISIS's description of French football in spy hokum show The Bureau.

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Just on the question of football and Trotskyism , my mind went back to Italia 90 and the intervention of the SWPs Central Committee in Harlesden Branch . A very concerned Sheila McGregor phoned me and some other comrades expressing concern about key and experienced members non attendance at some educational meeting which the district had organised failing to take into consideration the World Cup fixtures . I think we were into game 2 or 3 if the group staged . She got a sort of verbal shrug of the shoulders . Cometh the branch meeting and cometh Chris Bamberry who talked passionately about the necessary of routine , commitment to the struggle and pointed out that Scottish comrades had had full attendance , glut of new members and record paper sales .’Why?’ He asked , ‘was this branch different ‘.One new comrade wearing an England shirt ( oblivious to Bamberry’s position partly due to him not being familiar with the great and the good and partly because we’d met for a pre branch drink ) patiently explained that Scotland were going out in the group stage so it didn’t really matter to those comrades but England were still in it . Bamberry wasn’t as impressed as the new comrade thought he might be and immediately denounced the need to ‘Stamp out the Terry Butcher faction’ that was clearly holding back building the party in North West London .

You've misremembered.

Up until the 80th minute of Scotland's final game, they were in position to go through to the knockout stage (to, of course, be knocked out). Then that fucker Müller scored in the 81st minute.

PS - I still maintain that World Cup was so fucking overrated.

PPS - No apologies on my part for discussing football in this thread.
 
For those interested in this sort of thing here is the Sparts analysis of the Jim Jones Guyana mass suicide in 1978. It's quite remarkable and compelling. The article appeared on December 1st 1978, the mass suicide occurred on November 18th. So it's not like they had time to investigate. But obviously they didn't need to. At the time someone observed to me, "this is about their fear of what they are becoming."

 
For those interested in this sort of thing here is the Sparts analysis of the Jim Jones Guyana mass suicide in 1978. It's quite remarkable and compelling. The article appeared on December 1st 1978, the mass suicide occurred on November 18th. So it's not like they had time to investigate. But obviously they didn't need to. At the time someone observed to me, "this is about their fear of what they are becoming."

Whoever was in charge of layout there needs shooting. Pages 1, 4, 5 & 11? No
 
True enough, they always came up with a reason why someone quit (always a betrayal) ... except when NW committed suicide. Then they said they had no idea why he'd killed himself. It took them six weeks to write an obituary, and in those days they were a functioning organisation with a prolific editorial board.
What year and section did the NW suicide occur?
 


This is the Spycop podcast episode on Barry Tompkins for anyone interested. The stuff about the exam required to join the Sparts is nonsense. Maybe the RCP did something like that, I don't know.
 


This is the Spycop podcast episode on Barry Tompkins for anyone interested. The stuff about the exam required to join the Sparts is nonsense. Maybe the RCP did something like that, I don't know.

I remember hearing that the WRP did. I got the impression the RCP took anyone.
 
The Sparts had a system called "candidate" membership. The candidate had all the obligations of a full member but didn't get to vote on anything, but since all the votes were unanimous (I do not exaggerate) this was no great loss. After a couple of months, when the candidate had demonstrated their mulish submissiveness, they got to raise their hand alongside everyone else whenever called upon to do so. Knowledge of any sort was not a requirement for a wannabe Spart.
 
The IMG had a candidate membership system , had to read loads of Ernest Mandel.
Looking back I think probably the post- Red Weekly (known as Red Dictionary) IMG was the most fun Trot group to be in. Endless factions, people mis-typing incomprehensible opposition documents directly onto inky stencils, botched unity campaigns, Grogan going to Tehran and shouting Allah Akbar. A great time was had by all.
 
I found this article about the Spartacist League interesting. It seems it is dying. The comments are very interesting, one of the contributors being one of the contributors to this forum.

 
A couple of ex members told me there was an unofficial two class membership in the RCP. The IMG had a candidate membership system , had to read loads of Ernest Mandel.
I was briefly involved with the RCP for about six months in the mid eighties.

There was certainly a distinction made between full "members" and mere "supporters".

"Supporters" were still expected to pay some sort of subscription and sell a certain number of papers each week.

Most those who would have been members in other groups were only classed as supporters in the RCP, including those given the responsibility of mentoring new recruits like me.

I wasn't involved for long enough to find out if any supporters ever made the leap to be proper members.
 
I was briefly involved with the RCP for about six months in the mid eighties.

There was certainly a distinction made between full "members" and mere "supporters".

"Supporters" were still expected to pay some sort of subscription and sell a certain number of papers each week.

Most those who would have been members in other groups were only classed as supporters in the RCP, including those given the responsibility of mentoring new recruits like me.

I wasn't involved for long enough to find out if any supporters ever made the leap to be proper members.
Did you get to wear the trendy clothes? Or was that reserved for full members?
 
There were quite a few of them at the last Kill the Bill demo in London complete with stall emblazoned with their usual dingbat slogans.
Are you sure that it was the Spartacist League on the Kill the Bill demo?
They have not published a new issue of Workers Hammer since Spring 2020; what were they selling?
 
I found this article about the Spartacist League interesting. It seems it is dying. The comments are very interesting, one of the contributors being one of the contributors to this forum.

And a postscript:
 
They were handing out the anti-lockdown Spartacist Supplement published in April and the slogan
Down With the Lockdowns!The Working Class Must Defend ItselfBreak with the Labor Traitors—Reforge the Fourth International! and other bizarre stuff was posted at the front of their stall
 
They were handing out the anti-lockdown Spartacist Supplement published in April and the slogan
Down With the Lockdowns!The Working Class Must Defend ItselfBreak with the Labor Traitors—Reforge the Fourth International! and other bizarre stuff was posted at the front of their stall
Thanks. I have now found the Supplement on their website. So, reports of the death of the Spartacist League have been exaggerated. It is like a zombie - it will not die.
 
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