Was the Leave campaign racist?

[Pickman's model]

One man's 'shit' is another man's, err, something or another. But I'd rather have a wide range of opinions argued here because we all know what happens to boards that boot out/bully off all dissenting voices.

When it's argued yes, it's good, but when it's based on misreadings and misunderstandings then it's not so good.

 

[Skyfallsz]

So you don't in fact mean this was a failure in the mode of production but a failure of imagination in the councils of the European Union.

A glitch in the matrix

 

[Pickman's model]

A glitch in the matrix

What I'm getting at is a political failure e.g. war on Iraq, brexit is not a failure in capitalism even though the political actors are wedded to the current mode of production.

 

[Anju]

Because I didn't see him on those

So Pickman's Model is my stalker!

 

[Pickman's model]

So Pickman's Model is my stalker!

Another example of your extrapolating from data you have misunderstood

 

[Skyfallsz]

What I'm getting at is a political failure e.g. war on Iraq, brexit is not a failure in capitalism even though the political actors are wedded to the current mode of production.

I agree with that. I didn't mean that it's going to be apocalyptic, but it was a big political failure because the system has openly contradicted itself and there has been no positivity from the establishment, or even the anti-establishment.

 

[editor]

When it's argued yes, it's good, but when it's based on misreadings and misunderstandings then it's not so good.

And you think most of the arguments here reach that standard?

 

[Pickman's model]

And you think most of the arguments here reach that standard?

I think generally people here manage to avoid calling others racist when all that's been said is 'here is something I am doing to help victims of racist attacks'.

 

[Anju]

Then you have no business starting this thread.

Why, did you vote me off?

 

[Anju]

I think generally people here manage to avoid calling others racist when all that's been said is 'here is something I am doing to help victims of racist attacks'.

Whilst posting a negative stereotype about those same people and asking for "practical support (you know what I mean), then making a vain attempt to make this look innocent by posting asking for language help today?

 

[butchersapron]

Whilst posting a negative stereotype about those same people and asking for "practical support (you know what I mean), then making a vain attempt to make this look innocent by posting asking for language help today?

Ooh, the masterplan exposed.

 

[Anju]

Ooh, the masterplan exposed.

Love the way you answer my posts with meaningless nonsense. All that education but no ability to apply it in a meaningful way.

 

[Anju]

I'm officially in trouble with Mrs Anju for wasting my time online.

Hope everyone has a nice evening.

 

[butchersapron]

Love the way you answer my posts with meaningless nonsense. All that education but no ability to apply it in a meaningful way.

*holds back*

 

[Anju]

*holds back*

The tears?

 

[butchersapron]

The tears?

The years. The ears.

No degree. No a levels. Immigrant council estate family.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Here's a lovely section of a pro remain leaflet I got through from the European Movement

Never has Fortress Europe succinctly describe.

Now are you sure all racist voted leave?

Hello, what's this: We'll let migrants move to Dover if you quit EU, warn the French

French president Francois Hollande today warned Britain would face 'consequences' over immigration if quits the EU amid a row over the 'Jungle' migrant camp.

Mr Hollande's economy minister declared a treaty stopping migrants reaching Calais would be torn up after a Brexit vote prompting claims Boris Johnson and other Leave campaigners of an orchestrated scare campaign.

And this:

Migrants could set up camp in Folkestone if Britain votes for Brexit, David Cameron warns

Migrants could set up camp in Folkestone and Dover if Britain decides to vote for a Brexit, David Cameron looks set to warn.

Not only is that squarely designed to scare people of the 'swarms' of brown faces clawing away at our borders who would be let in under Brexit, the talk that the refugee camp would spring up in Dover shows an almost comical lack of understanding about why these people are in Calais in the first place.

And yet post-Brexit the racist bullshit continues from remainers..

Calais mayor threatens to send ‘Jungle’ to Dover in Brexit row

Natacha Bouchart has urged the French government to immediately begin renegotiating the treaty, which allows British border police and officials to operate in the French port.

It was 100% this racism that caused Frau Bahn to vote leave btw.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

eta, now i'm sullied with a mail & express link. Fucking Corbyn's fault no doubt.

 

[Orang Utan]

fine, but you seem to be under the misapprehension that posters on here who voted Remain were swayed by the rhetoric of the Remain campaign based on a search about whether there was a thread about distancing ourselves from racist campaigning. there are many threads on here and the posters you're at odds with here have posted their non-racist reasoning for voting Leave and their contempt for racist rhetoric is clear. There wasn't a thread on it, because it's kind of a given that people on here don't think that way and don't tolerate those who do.

Anju also worth reading this:
Immigration and the "racist thickos"

 

[Anju]

Anju also worth reading this:
Immigration and the "racist thickos"

Will do, though I am close to my annual online time already. Even my dog is pissed off with me for staring at a screen all day.

 

[Skyfallsz]

Will do, though I am close to my annual online time already. Even my dog is pissed off with me for staring at a screen all day.

Wake up and join the 21st century lol

 

[Anju]

Wake up and join the 21st century lol

I'm slowly catching up. I got my first smartphone two months ago. I will be learning what the different smiley and other faces mean soon so I don't accidentally cause offence.

Btw, I was joking earlier when I said you had insulted me. I think my humour can be a little too dry or sarcastic sometimes, or of course just not funny.

 

[Skyfallsz]

I think that the internationalism is the thing that people are pissed off that we feel has been sold out on both sides. The EU didn't push that, they pushed a load of economic bullshit which they were going to push whatever the result at some point in time. But the Leave campaign didn't push that either, the UKIP were far more vocal and recognisable than any sort of internationalist movement and the idea that this is going to get rid of them is more pie in the sky than the idea that the EU would get through it's own crises somehow by default

Nobody has the right to claim a victory, that is why nobody has. There were much better referendums to have and take to the EU, save Greece, deal with the crisis in the Med, deal with unemployment in France and South Europe, have a referendum on that, not 'Get rid of David Cameron

 

[Skyfallsz]

I'm slowly catching up. I got my first smartphone two months ago. I will be learning what the different smiley and other faces mean soon so I don't accidentally cause offence.

Btw, I was joking earlier when I said you had insulted me. I think my humour can be a little too dry or sarcastic sometimes, or of course just not funny.

I have a phone which does lots of stuff but I just play chess and use it to phone people

Like I said, I was agreeing with you in a qualified way. I sometimes fail at communicating with people too,unlike people who use VBulletin every day...

 

[redsquirrel]

Fucks sake that's appalling! All EU migrants are just here to wait on tables. And non-EU ones all entered illegally in the back of a waggon.

Yes, well done for digging it up captainmission it really does encapsulate the racism of the EU in one image.

 

[phildwyer]

Prejudice against European immigrants isn't racism anyway. It's xenophobia. A vital distinction that seems to have been entirely missed on here (and elsewhere too).

 

[Corax]

People have voted with no thought for what would happen.

Have they?

well intentioned voters just assumed the outcome of a leave vote would bring a left wing government by default.

Really?

No degree. No a levels.

No gap year.

 

[phildwyer]

No gap year.

Permanent gap year.

 

[The39thStep]

I think this article sums up how well meaning Remainers have ironically taken a particularly British view of the EU to the point where a they actually deny the effects of the EU on fellow Europeans .

 

[Orang Utan]

Prejudice against European immigrants isn't racism anyway. It's xenophobia. A vital distinction that seems to have been entirely missed on here (and elsewhere too).

Nah mate