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petee said:
no. if you're an active member and you get up to no good i believe they can remove you from your party function (district leader, e.g.) but they cannot go into the BOE rolls and cancel you.
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But could you still vote in the primary even if you're marked down as a wrong 'un?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
But then the delegates at the electoral college can just vote how they like anyway!
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That is the one aspect that is genuinely fucking odd. It makes absolutely no sense - it's like giving some weirdos the right to decide how a constituency/city/region voted, and then do what they want. :confused:

petee for president to align the US with our more rational system. :cool:
 
farmerbarleymow said:
That is the one aspect that is genuinely fucking odd. It makes absolutely no sense - it's like giving some weirdos the right to decide how a constituency/city/region voted, and then do what they want. :confused:

petee for president to align the US with our more rational system. :cool:
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tbf we vote for MPs who can switch parties the day after they're elected.

And of course what you describe is exactly what happened at the Democrat Convention, 2016. Delegates for districts won by Sanders put their hands up for Clinton, and nobody could stop them.

Ah that reminds me. There are delegates and there are superdelegates. I agree, that bit is bonkers.
 
petee said:

those parties in section 14 are the ones that qualified for automatic ballot access by taking 50,000 votes in the last gubernatorial election. if the party you like isn't there, you have to get in touch with them directly.

e2a i see there's a line for "other" but i'm pretty sure you can't enroll through the BOE in a party that has no political (i.e. ballot) presence in the state, as parties in the US are chartered state-by-state.
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This raises even more issues - sorry! :D

You are now our resident US elections expert.

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That doesn't happen here. To my knowledge, no ID checks are carried out and the volume of electoral fraud is tiny. Yes, the vermin party have run pilots of ID requirements to vote, but the whole premise is bullshit given the evidence of fraud is next to non-existent.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
tbf we vote for MPs who can switch parties the day after they're elected.

And of course what you describe is exactly what happened at the Democrat Convention, 2016. Delegates for districts won by Sanders put their hands up for Clinton, and nobody could stop them.

Ah that reminds me. There are delegates and there are superdelegates. I agree, that bit is bonkers.
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Yeah, but we don't (sadly) vote for the head of state. We all know that MPs can be deceitful twats, and cross the floor, but FPTP at least gives a degree of certainty who has won, despite its obvious undemocratic flaws. I'm totally in favour of full PR and a republic, but doubt I'll see that in my lifetime. :(
 
farmerbarleymow said:
This raises even more issues - sorry! :D

You are now our resident US elections expert.

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That doesn't happen here. To my knowledge, no ID checks are carried out and the volume of electoral fraud is tiny. Yes, the vermin party have run pilots of ID requirements to vote, but the whole premise is bullshit given the evidence of fraud is next to non-existent.
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Yep there were pilots last year, I believe. But generally, you don't even need your polling card. Just state your name and address - if you're on the list, you can vote.

tbh the UK system does work well. And with no more technology than a pencil and paper. But that could break down. It relies on a certain cohesion, including the small army of volunteers who run and invigilate it. The dysfunction of the US system is a symptom of wider social malaise.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Yep there were pilots last year, I believe. But generally, you don't even need your polling card. Just state your name and address - if you're on the list, you can vote.

tbh the UK system does work well. And with no more technology than a pencil and paper. But that could break down. It relies on a certain cohesion, including the small army of volunteers who run and invigilate it. The dysfunction of the US system is a symptom of wider social malaise.
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They’re not volunteers, they’re paid.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
But generally, you don't even need your polling card. Just state your name and address - if you're on the list, you can vote.
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Don't be like me...

At the last election I went to the polling station around 7.30am without the polling card. Large queue because of voters attending before work (was working at home that day). After listening to multiple people reading out their address, when I got the front of the queue I went completely went blank when asked mine. :oops:

The clerk found me on the register thankfully.
 
Streathamite said:
YEE-HAH!!
(in homage to Austin's fantastic music scene etc).
IIRC, Dallas is a big busines city,a nd v much a Big Oil sorta place, or it was when I visited a decade or so ago. If the nationwide indicators are correct, virtually all this huge spike in early turnout is v much an anti-Trump surge. If that has spread to dallas, as well as Houston - that's a practically seismic change.
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Dallas quite Dem now, Fort Worth has inched that way too albeit a little behind. The counties to the north further behind again but seem to hopped on the Beto train in '18. Houston, San Antonio, El Paso and Austin all blue and again the suburbs are swinging that way as well.
 
farmerbarleymow said:
This raises even more issues - sorry! :D

You are now our resident US elections expert.

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That doesn't happen here. To my knowledge, no ID checks are carried out and the volume of electoral fraud is tiny. Yes, the vermin party have run pilots of ID requirements to vote, but the whole premise is bullshit given the evidence of fraud is next to non-existent.
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I thought i read somewhere that you have to give your national insurence number in the uk now as id if you move to a new address and register there? I haven't moved in nearly 20 years so not had to do it myself.
 
moochedit said:
I thought i read somewhere that you have to give your national insurence number in the uk now as id if you move to a new address and register there? I haven't moved in nearly 20 years so not had to do it myself.
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Not heard that to be honest - last time I moved was three years back.

But surely everyone can recite their NINO if needed so it's not a stretch for people to make one up. Unless electoral registration officers have access to HMRC systems (unlikely) they would be none the wiser.
 
farmerbarleymow said:
Isn't that wide open to abuse? Loads of people could say they register with the Monster Raving Loony Party and then vote in their primaries, only to be taking the piss?
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I would have thought that was practically the whole point with the Monster Raving Loony Party, meself
farmerbarleymow said:
You should get the letter each August/September time as that's when councils normally update the register. If you're not it's worth checking with the electoral registration office to make sure you don't run the risk of something going wrong.
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That's what I do, like I said. I'm assuming it's just the usual perennial uselessness of LB Waltham Forest
 
farmerbarleymow said:
Not heard that to be honest - last time I moved was three years back.

But surely everyone can recite their NINO if needed so it's not a stretch for people to make one up. Unless electoral registration officers have access to HMRC systems (unlikely) they would be none the wiser.
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This is what i was thinking of. Changed a few years ago. Seems they try and match the voting register with ni numbers on the database automatically and contact people they can't match for more info. Some scary sounding stuff in this story mind you about people dropping off the register because of this change.

www.theguardian.com

Britain's missing voters: why individual registration has been a disaster

More than 1 million voters have already dropped off the electoral register and 7 million more could follow after the 2015 election, explains Paul Wheeler
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Yossarian said:
Remarkable how one of the worst candidates possible has risen to the top in two completely different political ecosystems thousands of miles apart - more proof of Darwin's "Survival of the Shittest" theory.
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I think Italy led the way on this one a few years back. The rest of the world is just catching up.
 
JTG said:
Ooooh, how the mail ballots are sorted and counted in Philadelphia (click through for the thread)



Bit different from dozens of council workers in a cold gym
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From a section well-down towards the end of that reporter's thread :

Max M. Marin said:
This is just a paper shredder, but it looks cool.
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(ETA : Sorry, can't seem to quote this properly :oops: )

What about that uncounted-vote-shredding-machine, was my immediate reaction to that clip, further down the above Twitter thread! :eek:

Good job I'm not conspiranoid ;)
 
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