US election 2020 thread

[petee]

Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules mail-in ballots can’t be rejected over mismatched signatures

It’s a blow for Republicans who challenged the state’s guidance that different-looking signatures shouldn’t be disqualifying.

www.vox.com

The court decision — backed by five Democrat and two Republican justices — marks a victory for Democrats and voting-rights advocates in a critical battleground state Trump won by roughly 44,000 votes in 2016. It comes on the heels of another loss for Republicans in the state: the October 19 order by the US Supreme Court, which let stand a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that mailed-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day must be counted.

 

[Streathamite]

ermmm...the interview was that interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 minutes

e2a; agree with you on the 'complete loser', though.
That was a really dreadful performance for an incumbent President.

 

[two sheds]

Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules mail-in ballots can’t be rejected over mismatched signatures

It’s a blow for Republicans who challenged the state’s guidance that different-looking signatures shouldn’t be disqualifying.

www.vox.com

The court decision — backed by five Democrat and two Republican justices — marks a victory for Democrats and voting-rights advocates in a critical battleground state Trump won by roughly 44,000 votes in 2016. It comes on the heels of another loss for Republicans in the state: the October 19 order by the US Supreme Court, which let stand a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that mailed-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day must be counted.

Interesting to see whether the Republicans take any notice though.

 

[TomUS]

That's what I thought. Some orthodox Jews are very pro Israel but not all.

Many orthodox Jews in the US are against the state of Israel because they believe that can only come about when their messiah comes. And he hasn't shown up yet.

 

[ginger_syn]

Yes trump is no messiah, hes just a repulsive man.

 

[Streathamite]

Interesting to see whether the Republicans take any notice though.

I would imagine the Dems are getting the lawyers crawling all over them, right now. Or they will if they've any sense.

 

[two sheds]

You'd hope that there's no avenue of appeal otherwise they'll try to delay it all until 3 days after the election when suddenly it's "oops too late, sorry lads".

 

[Shechemite]

I think blind support for Israel more common amongst non orthodox tho? Idk honestly, could be that they vote largely as a block and a couple of influential figures hold a lot of sway. Also they are anti lockdowns, maybe trumps attitude to that helped.

some big (and nasty) anti-lockdown protests from the frummers this year

 

[Shechemite]

Many orthodox Jews in the US are against the state of Israel because they believe that can only come about when their messiah comes. And he hasn't shown up yet.

not really these days.

 

[frogwoman]

Yep, they're a tiny minority.

 

[two sheds]

Interesting, many fewer than the fundie Christians who believe that the state of Israel is a sign of the second coming. Trump spoke directly to them recently didn't he?

 

[JTG]

Hays is Austin suburbs - went for Trump by around 500 votes in '16, then voted for Beto O'Rourke by over 12,000 votes in '18.

Click through on that tweet and you'll see that other suburban Texas counties with fast growing populations and changing demographics that also swung hard towards O'Rourke - Collin, Denton & Williamson - are about to exceed their 2016 totals as well. If nothing else it's an illustration of just how much the Texas electorate is in flux

Denton: Dallas suburbs. Williamson: Austin suburbs. Both were Trump '16 > O'Rourke '18 counties

 

[William of Walworth]

ermmm...the interview was that interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 minutes

Make allowances, I'm far from up to speed with US media (I'd never heard of 60 minutes before ), and literally all I was checking was Trump's appalling behaviour!

 

[Streathamite]

Make allowances, I'm far from up to speed with US media (I'd never heard of 60 minutes before ), and literally all I was checking was Trump's appalling behaviour!

OK, fair enough mate!

 

[Streathamite]

Denton: Dallas suburbs. Williamson: Austin suburbs. Both were Trump '16 > O'Rourke '18 counties

YEE-HAH!!
(in homage to Austin's fantastic music scene etc).
IIRC, Dallas is a big busines city,a nd v much a Big Oil sorta place, or it was when I visited a decade or so ago. If the nationwide indicators are correct, virtually all this huge spike in early turnout is v much an anti-Trump surge. If that has spread to dallas, as well as Houston - that's a practically seismic change.

 

[spring-peeper]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He's quite right. At first it was mostly only bad in the NE of the country. Now it's everywhere. Covid is progressing tremendously.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

 

[spring-peeper]

Trump Threatens Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf: I’ll Withhold Federal Aid Because You Didn’t Help My Campaign

“‘Hello, Mr. President, this is Governor Wolf, I need help, I need help,’’’ Trump said at a Monday rally, mocking the state governor. “You know what? These people are bad.”

www.thedailybeast.com

President Donald Trump escalated his attacks on Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf on Monday, threatening to not come to the state’s aid as the deadly COVID-19 pandemic continues to plague it. “So Tom Wolf, next time give us a little notice, governor,” Trump said Monday at the Allentown rally appearance, claiming “your governor made it almost impossible for us to find any site” for the event. “And I’ll remember it, Tom. I’m going to remember it, Tom. ‘Hello, Mr. President, this is Gov. Wolf, I need help, I need help.’ You know what? These people are bad.”

Trump also falsely claimed the governor has “the whole commonwealth” shut down and continued spreading his baseless conspiracy theory that restrictions would be lifted on the day after the election, because he believes the moves are being used to hurt his re-election effort. Wolf has aggressively fought in court to keep outdoor crowd limits to 250 people as community spread of the coronavirus has picked up throughout the late summer and fall. New case numbers are beginning to rival April’s early peaks of the outbreak in Pennsylvania.

Trump has made a point of baselessly attacking Democratic governors of swing states during the pandemic. Wolf and the governors of California, Michigan, New York, and North Carolina have been his frequent targets. Trump has repeatedly called on the states to toss aside all restrictions, even though they have been eased since the earliest days of the pandemic.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Feels to me like he's given up. He has to know that this stuff has zero traction beyond his base. But he's only got the one record, so it's play that or be silent. And he can't be silent.

 

[8ball]

Feels to me like he's given up. He has to know that this stuff has zero traction beyond his base. But he's only got the one record, so it's play that or be silent. And he can't be silent.

The other tactic being to suppress the votes that are less likely to be for him.

 

[Wilf]

Trump seems to have become a poor Trump tribute act. He's even lost his populist instincts, leaving just the psychopathy. Must admit, I'm still a bit twitchy about Biden's leads in the swing states. It's hard to see how Trump hasn't been reduced down to his absolute core vote now, but he hasn't quite got there yet.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules mail-in ballots can’t be rejected over mismatched signatures

It’s a blow for Republicans who challenged the state’s guidance that different-looking signatures shouldn’t be disqualifying.

www.vox.com

The court decision — backed by five Democrat and two Republican justices — marks a victory for Democrats and voting-rights advocates in a critical battleground state Trump won by roughly 44,000 votes in 2016. It comes on the heels of another loss for Republicans in the state: the October 19 order by the US Supreme Court, which let stand a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that mailed-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day must be counted.

There is one thing I've never understood about US elections - the talk about registered democrats/repubs. Are they members of the parties themselves, or do they make some kind of declaration of who they align with when they register to be added to the electoral roll? And in primaries, is it just those people who can vote?

Yours, a dim limey

 

[moochedit]

There is one thing I've never understood about US elections - the talk about registered democrats/repubs. Are they members of the parties themselves, or do they make some kind of declaration of who they align with when they register to be added to the electoral roll? And in primaries, is it just those people who can vote?

Yours, a dim limey

I think the awnsers to those questions vary a bit state to state (like a lot of things in america) but it is basically for the primaries. I think some states allow you to register on the day of the primary.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Trump seems to have become a poor Trump tribute act. He's even lost his populist instincts, leaving just the psychopathy. Must admit, I'm still a bit twitchy about Biden's leads in the swing states. It's hard to see how Trump hasn't been reduced down to his absolute core vote now, but he hasn't quite got there yet.

he's just whingeing. It ain't a good look.

 

[petee]

There is one thing I've never understood about US elections - the talk about registered democrats/repubs. Are they members of the parties themselves, or do they make some kind of declaration of who they align with when they register to be added to the electoral roll? And in primaries, is it just those people who can vote?

Yours, a dim limey

dear dim limey,

you don't need to be registered in a party to vote in a general election (i'm not, my registration reads "BLANK"), but you have it right that you have to be registered in the party to vote in the primary. also, you must be registered in the party to participate on the club (individual electoral district) and county level. the county chair of the party in power is not rarely the most powerful political figure in the county, more even than the elected officeholders, names such as Boss Tweed among them.

 

[belboid]

I am surprised, on looking at the Democratic Party website and then a couple of state ones, that there is no option to actually join the party. To donate, vote for and volunteer with, yes, but not to actually join.

 

[petee]

I am surprised, on looking at the Democratic Party website and then a couple of state ones, that there is no option to actually join the party. To donate, vote for and volunteer with, yes, but not to actually join.

you join when you register, so if when you register to vote you choose to identify a party, you're a member of that party. and you can join later, or leave, it's not up to the party (i mean, they might expel you) it's recorded with the board of elections.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

you join when you register, so if when you register to vote you choose to identify a party, you're a member of that party. and you can join later, or leave, it's not up to the party (i mean, they might expel you) it's recorded with the board of elections.

So no subs?

Sorry another dim question. Bernie Sanders isn't a democrat. Did you still have to register dem to vote for him?

 

[petee]

So no subs?

Sorry another dim question. Bernie Sanders isn't a democrat. Did you still have to register dem to vote for him?

in a primary election yes, since he was on the democratic ticket.
what's a sub?