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7 show movement towards Trump, four towards Biden. I’d be a little concerned about that tbh. Add in the greater motivation of Trumpists and a debate where he didn’t disgrace himself. Still not relaxed about this myself, too used to disappointme. Keep your expectations low.
Not at all. Most of them are remarkably steady and if you think a state of play that shows TEXAS as level pegging is concerning then you my friend need to have a lie down
 
Yes, you're right I clean forgot that. And if memory serves, she wasn't that hot a candidate. alright, but no better.

Fucking hell!:eek: That is simply stunning figures.

Yep, he won't even need to win PA (which he almost certainly will anyway), FL or AZ (both pretty likely too).
And also congratulations Senator Ossoff. Welcome to Washington, Senator Purdue.
I mean, essentially, if a black woman came so close to winning the governorship of Georgia that the margin almost certainly came down to standard suppression stuff then you aint telling me that with two more years for the Atlantas suburbs to trend bluer and an inoffensive white guy as candidate there isn't at least a very good chance that Georgia flips
 
All this talk of this year being the one that Texas and Georgia turn blue is definitely giving me a sense of deja vu.




 
So which states do you think Trump puts in play? I asked, mentioning the possibility of Georgia, which some think could go Democratic for the first time since her husband won it in 1992.

“Texas!” she exclaimed, eyes wide, as if daring me to question this, which I did. “You are not going to win Texas,” I said. She smiled, undaunted. “If black and Latino voters come out and vote, we could win Texas,” she told me firmly, practically licking her lips.


 
Demographics take a long time to tick over enough but, sure it's coming.

Bush won Texas by 20+ points. Romney by 15. Trump by 9.

Bush won Georgia by 16. Romney by 8. Trump by 5.

Eventually it happens
 
Clinton was literally the least popular political figure in the country in 2016 wasn't she?
Dunno about figures but I think the results spoke for themselves in the end. Loads of people looking for an excuse not to show up for her and we got what we got in the end.
Different this time. Biden's uninspiring sure but he's not hated. And his opponent provides enough inspiration to show up for the pair of them
 
Demographics take a long time to tick over enough but, sure it's coming.

Bush won Texas by 20+ points. Romney by 15. Trump by 9.

Bush won Georgia by 16. Romney by 8. Trump by 5.

Eventually it happens
There have been plenty of similar claims about demographics were going to make the Tory party unelectable. (EDIT from 2017)

I happen to agree with much of your analysis on this election. However, the simple evocation of demographics is part of why Clinton lost in 2016, oh black voters will turnout for her/us, that taking of voters for granted contributed to her loss. Just as the LPs taking for granted voters in seats like Bolsover led to their loss.

Demographics may change but so can voters. It is small numbers and is unlikely to save him but Trump appears to have gained ground with male Hispanic voters. And just because areas have swung one way in the last couple of elections does not mean that they will not swing back in the next.
 
There have been plenty of similar claims about demographics were going to make the Tory party unelectable.

I happen to agree with much of your analysis on this election. However, the simple evocation of demographics is part of why Clinton lost in 2016, oh black voters will turnout for her/us, that taking of voters for granted contributed to her loss. Just as the LPs taking for granted voters in seats like Bolsover led to their loss.

Demographics may change but so can voters. It is small numbers and is unlikely to save him but Trump appears to have gained ground with male Hispanic voters. And just because areas have swung one way in the last couple of elections does not mean that they will not swing back in the next.
Fair
But then I think the GOP isn't really adjusting to the changes inherent in the electorate.

WRT Latinos, Trump appears to be back at the same levels Bush got with Latinos. I'd speculate that it's not necessarily a backward step for Dems so much as four years ago Trump ran a campaign that was uniquely repellent to that section of the electorate. They're pretty hard to poll though, most mainstream polling orgs struggle somewhat, especially with rural Latinos in states like Texas - so the border and western counties
 
I mean I think Biden will win, win the popular vote by a considerable margin and could capture some surprising states but the idea that Texas will inevitably "turn blue" with time needs to be treated with caution. After all 4 years ago the story was the mid-west had turned red, today it is still Biden's most likely path to the White House.
 
I mean I think Biden will win, win the popular vote by a considerable margin and could capture some surprising states but the idea that Texas will inevitably "turn blue" with time needs to be treated with caution. After all 4 years ago the story was the mid-west had turned red, today it is still Biden's most likely path to the White House.
Don't disagree, though that midwest narrative was always dodgy anyway - I mean, Wisconsin only very narrowly went for Gore & Kerry so it's long been marginal for a start so it shouldn't have been such a massive shock that it flipped.

Just to expand on my polling Latinos point - essentially I think English speaking pollsters tend to get polling results from English speaking Latinos. Which doesn't necessarily reflect how Spanish speaking Latinos are gonna vote. It's an issue - and not just for the pollsters, the parties can find it hard as well
 
7 show movement towards Trump, four towards Biden. I’d be a little concerned about that tbh. Add in the greater motivation of Trumpists and a debate where he didn’t disgrace himself. Still not relaxed about this myself, too used to disappointme. Keep your expectations low.
The strong overall characteristic of those numbers is stability across the last month. Trump's share hasn't continued to collapse but he hasn't clawed back in a single one of those states.

Biden holds on to what he's got there and he wins by a landslide. If he loses the closer states like FL, TX, Ohio but gets back the rust belt, he still wins.

Basically those polls need to be spectacularly wrong for Trump to have any chance of winning.
 
Basically those polls need to be spectacularly wrong for Trump to have any chance of winning.
Indeed. And notice how nobody ever considers the possibility of a polling error on 2012 levels - when Obama's vote was underestimated and he cruised home in what had looked like a tight race
 
Indeed. And notice how nobody ever considers the possibility of a polling error on 2012 levels - when Obama's vote was underestimated and he cruised home in what had looked like a tight race
Yeah we're close to electoral college near-wipeout territory. Has happened before.
 
I mean, essentially, if a black woman came so close to winning the governorship of Georgia that the margin almost certainly came down to standard suppression stuff then you aint telling me that with two more years for the Atlantas suburbs to trend bluer and an inoffensive white guy as candidate there isn't at least a very good chance that Georgia flips
ermm, Raphael warnock is more yer inoffensive black guy....but yes, agreed on every other point you make.
It's still a bonus to me if he wins GA - vut if he does, hw will almost certainly have won AZ, PA, FL, WI and MI. game over.
 
All this talk of this year being the one that Texas and Georgia turn blue is definitely giving me a sense of deja vu.




sure, but as the pollsters have admitted, four years ago they erred by not taking into sufficient account the votes of bluecollar, non-college educated whites. By all accounts, they've rectified that. Plus, the demographics four years down the track are that bit more Dem-favourable. Look what JTG has posted about GA - it's falling his way
 
Well, you could argue that the popular vote suggets Trump was even less popular....but, yes, she really was a divisive, unpopular candidate
I meant in the run up to the presidential campaign sorry - iirc the only figure who polled lower than her was in fact Donald Trump.

(this is another reason I reckon almost any other republican would probably have won more decisively against Clinton than Trump did)
 
I meant in the run up to the presidential campaign sorry - iirc the only figure who polled lower than her was in fact Donald Trump.

(this is another reason I reckon almost any other republican would probably have won more decisively against Clinton than Trump did)
ah, see what you mean, agreed on both points
 
There was the phenomenon in 2016 of people who would have voted for Sanders going for Trump over Clinton. Not such a factor this time. A sitting president has to run on their record in office. Ha!
it's really barely a factor at all this time, not least because Trump has so completely failed to deliver on his big, big promises to them. As you say, an incumbent has to deliver on his record.
Also, there were those devout berniebros who were so utterly furious at the way the DNC treated Bernie that they simply sat out the presidential vote and stuck to the downballot. Those are basically loyal democrats, who don't mind Biden half as much (plenty of them voted for him as VP).
 
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I meant in the run up to the presidential campaign sorry - iirc the only figure who polled lower than her was in fact Donald Trump.

(this is another reason I reckon almost any other republican would probably have won more decisively against Clinton than Trump did)
Maybe. However, as above, significant numbers of people angry with status quo politics did vote for Trump in 2016.

Establishment Dem vs establishment Rep would have had a very different dynamic. Hard to say how it would have gone imo . For starters the establishment Rep wouldn't have gone as dirty.
 
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