littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah. Shite attendance if you're after a popular uprising. It's no Arab Spring, is it? I know the US is a big place geographically but there's a fair few people within a few hours of DC.
US election 2020 thread
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maomao
普費斯
He'd be a bit more frightened at a Trafalgar Square full* of neo nazis at a week's notice trust me. Even more so if they were roaming London cracking skulls because liberals said don't oppose them on Twitter.
*it's licensed for 20,000 but could fit 30,000 at a push.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Oh do fuck off maomao with trying to tell me what I think and what I would or wouldn't be frightened of. You know fuck all about me. But no, I'm not frightened of neo nazis roaming London. Been there, done that.
SheilaNaGig
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I felt frightened while I was watching it, I have to be honest.
Some of that is local stuff : personal issues, lockdown/Covid, family history etc.
But even putting that stuff aside, it looks and feels and sounds very dangerous to me.
I hope I’m missing the larger picture (whatever else is going on behind the scenes) rather than missing the larger picture (we’re on the brink of disaster)
I can’t shake the feeling that it really could go either way from here.
Some of that is local stuff : personal issues, lockdown/Covid, family history etc.
But even putting that stuff aside, it looks and feels and sounds very dangerous to me.
I hope I’m missing the larger picture (whatever else is going on behind the scenes) rather than missing the larger picture (we’re on the brink of disaster)
I can’t shake the feeling that it really could go either way from here.
SheilaNaGig
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Hypnotic repetition is a tactic used by controlling abusers.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
I think/hope this is true.
I’m sort of surprised he hasn’t held rallies and and appeared on sympathetic podcasts radio shows etc. That suggests to me that he’s kinda flummoxed rather than on the front foot, delivering a plan.
He didn’t have a fallback plan for losing the election and now he’s floundering.
But having been in combat with a floundering abuser, I can tell you that it makes then very desperate and very dangerous
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I agree with the last bit. He's dangerous for the next two months for that reason.
My theory fwiw is that it's all Florida's fault. Not only did it vote for Trump a bit unexpectedly, but it also reported its count almost instantly, and that made Trump truly believe he was going to win. There's no master plan in play here.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
more about this too
"New filings claim there was a Plan B the militiamen had drawn up, that involved a takeover of the Michigan capitol building by 200 combatants who would stage a week-long series of televised executions of public officials.
And, according to government documents now on file in lower Michigan court, there was also a Plan C -- burning down the state house and leaving no survivors."
abc7chicago.com
"New filings claim there was a Plan B the militiamen had drawn up, that involved a takeover of the Michigan capitol building by 200 combatants who would stage a week-long series of televised executions of public officials.
And, according to government documents now on file in lower Michigan court, there was also a Plan C -- burning down the state house and leaving no survivors."
Disturbing new details in alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
There is new and disturbing information in the alleged militia plot against the governor of Michigan.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Good!!!
www.usatoday.com
Sen. Lindsey Graham faces ethics complaint over call to top election official in Georgia about ballots
Sen. Lindsey Graham was the target of an ethics complaint after his phone call with an election official in Georgia over how the state counts ballots.
www.usatoday.com
SheilaNaGig
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Illusory truth effect : say something often enough and it starts to sound true even though it’s a lie.
Illusory truth effect - Wikipedia
Here’s a short paper from last year looking at Trump’s use of the ILE
There’s quite a lot of stuff about the ILE and Trump associated bullshit.
It’s closely associated with narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, grooming, conspiracy theories, and of course Goebels.
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spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Joe Biden wins presidential race in Georgia, defeating Trump
Biden now has 306 electoral votes.
bimble
floofy
After this, basically the Republican Party announcing that the US’s democracy is broken (and by doing that pretty much making it true) how’s America supposed to carry on strutting around talking about itself as a great democracy bestriding the earth and bestowing it’s democracy prize on lesser nations it’ll look a bit bloody stupid.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
There was one posted on here, that showed 80% of all Americans thought Biden had won, under 5% thought Trump had won, and the rest that it hadn't yet been decided/don't know.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Never stopped them before.
bimble
floofy
maomao Polls in last few days about how many people believe what trump's selling look like they're all above the 70% mark (amongst republican voters).
Here's one says 70% of republicans think the election was rigged in some way :
www.politico.com
another one comes out with 73%
www.vox.com
& another says 77% ('of Trump backers say Biden’s win was due to fraud')
More Americans Happy About Trump Loss Than Biden Win | Monmouth University Polling Institute
Whether these people 'really believe' it, would bet their house on it, or are just saying it, who knows.
Here's one says 70% of republicans think the election was rigged in some way :
Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair
The POLITICO/Morning Consult survey found trust in the election system plummeted among Republicans while rising among Democrats after the race was called on Saturday.
www.politico.com
Vox poll: 73 percent of Republican voters are questioning Biden’s victory
A majority of likely Republican voters also agree with Trump’s decision not to concede — for now.
www.vox.com
& another says 77% ('of Trump backers say Biden’s win was due to fraud')
More Americans Happy About Trump Loss Than Biden Win | Monmouth University Polling Institute
Whether these people 'really believe' it, would bet their house on it, or are just saying it, who knows.
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Polls about how many people believe what trump's selling look like they're all above the 70% mark (amongst republican voters).
Here's one says 70% of republicans think the election was rigged in some way :
another one comes out with 73%Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair
The POLITICO/Morning Consult survey found trust in the election system plummeted among Republicans while rising among Democrats after the race was called on Saturday.
Vox poll: 73 percent of Republican voters are questioning Biden’s victory
A majority of likely Republican voters also agree with Trump’s decision not to concede — for now.
another, says three-quarters (77%) of Trump backers say Biden’s win was due to fraud
More Americans Happy About Trump Loss Than Biden Win | Monmouth University Polling Institute
Whether these people 'really believe' it, would bet their house on it, or are just saying it, who knows.
Trouble is with all these polls is that the sample surveyed are very small, mostly around 1-2,000, which is a common sample size in the UK, whereas the US population is about 5 times that on the UK, so I would take them all with a pinch of salt. In fact that second one you posted only sampled 810.
Here's the one that was posted on here a few days ago.
Reuters | Breaking International News & Views
Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.
uk.reuters.com
bimble
floofy
i know cupid_stunt, do find it interesting though how that one poll is preferred to all the others which come out with very different results.
I looked for its methodology but couldn't find anything, there's no reason to think its a bigger sample size or anything.
And that you get 70% now even after the abject failure of all the court cases is interesting.
Anyway, we can't see into the minds of anybody to tell what they genuinely believe, but the fact that the GOP is happily retweeting the absolutely batshit claims about trump winning by a landslide is a real thing.
I looked for its methodology but couldn't find anything, there's no reason to think its a bigger sample size or anything.
And that you get 70% now even after the abject failure of all the court cases is interesting.
Anyway, we can't see into the minds of anybody to tell what they genuinely believe, but the fact that the GOP is happily retweeting the absolutely batshit claims about trump winning by a landslide is a real thing.
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strung out
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Population size doesn't really make any difference for accuracy/margins of error in polling. 1500 respondents is about right to get a decent result within a 2.5% margin of error, as long as your sampling and weighting are sound.Trouble is with all these polls is that the sample surveyed are very small, mostly around 1-2,000, which is a common sample size in the UK, whereas the US population is about 5 times that on the UK, so I would take them all with a pinch of salt. In fact that second one you posted only sampled 810.
Here's the one that was posted on here a few days ago.
Reuters | Breaking International News & Views
Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.
sleaterkinney
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He’s such a fucking jerk.Rudy's running now...
Probably my favourite moment of 2020, not that there’s much competition.
bimble
floofy
Nope, trump has been talking about how the election is rigged since at least the early the summer, he didn't just come up with the idea last week.
My feeling is they expected it to be a lot closer, like maybe if they were lucky it would be just one state.
Agree there's no master plan and agree it will fail but as i saw someone say yesterday, a coup attempt that steps on a rake and shits itself is still a coup attempt.
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