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But that's been your line for the last three weeks. Just ignore him and the lawyers will make it go away. You've just said in this post that your solution is for Biden to act more 'forcefully' (he will, but against Iran, not Trump). You can't turn round in the next sentence and claim to be anti establishment. You're getting wronger by the day.
You're still misrepresenting me, though. I've been right so far. The court cases have gone absolutely nowhere. Doesn't make me some champion of the system to recognise that there are aspects of the system that offer buffers to absolute power. Trump has acted like a fascist dictator throughout his presidency, but he hasn't been able to rule as a fascist dictator as he didn't have the power to do that. He still doesn't.
 
If, (big if, I know) the republicans realise that T/man and his fixation on this mirage of election fraud is now fatally toxic to their brand, they should (logically) drop him and concentrate on finding another person ... but if they do that, the T/man will have a narcs fit and probably set himself up as an independent republican ... but that would really split the republican voter base, just in time for the mid-terms !
 
If, (big if, I know) the republicans realise that T/man and his fixation on this mirage of election fraud is now fatally toxic to their brand, they should (logically) drop him and concentrate on finding another person ... but if they do that, the T/man will have a narcs fit and probably set himself up as an independent republican ... but that would really split the republican voter base, just in time for the mid-terms !

As Picard would say, 'make it so.'
 
If, (big if, I know) the republicans realise that T/man and his fixation on this mirage of election fraud is now fatally toxic to their brand, they should (logically) drop him and concentrate on finding another person ... but if they do that, the T/man will have a narcs fit and probably set himself up as an independent republican ... but that would really split the republican voter base, just in time for the mid-terms !
Is it? Based on what?
Support for Trump may be a minority position but it is a minority position with considerable levels of support. And even with the dislike of Trump the Republicans gained seats in the House and minimised losses in the Senate. That does not seem like "fatally toxic" to me.
 
I don't think that will do it. It will only give them a sense of power.


And righteousness. This kind of abusive narcissism yearns for a sense of righteousness, and seeks it or manufactures it at any opportunity.

Because they’re fundamentally lying to themselves, they need to disguise that with any possible grievance, self righteousness, martyredom etc.

Anything they can claim as some ersatz victimhood makes them feel powerful, because they can then use it as a gambling chip.
 
You're still misrepresenting me, though. I've been right so far. The court cases have gone absolutely nowhere. Doesn't make me some champion of the system to recognise that there are aspects of the system that offer buffers to absolute power. Trump has acted like a fascist dictator throughout his presidency, but he hasn't been able to rule as a fascist dictator as he didn't have the power to do that. He still doesn't.

I have never claimed that they would win in court so that can't possibly be what I'm disagreeing with you about.

Half of republicans think the election was stolen or won unfairly and a large number of people are calling for or already engaged in civil war including significant parts of the political establishment. It doesn't matter that he won't win in court. They're not interested in democracy. Sensible republicans won't save you.
 
I have never claimed that they would win in court so that can't possibly be what I'm disagreeing with you about.

Half of republicans think the election was stolen or won unfairly a...

According to a online poll that attracted just 1,346 respondents.
 
Does anyone have a link to the full Trump press conference you're wittering on about? I missed it.
 
According to a online poll that attracted just 1,346 respondents.
Do you have a more reliable figure? Genuinely. I do not have time at the moment and all searches for polls tend to throw up us election polls and not much else.

And regardless of the amount of genuine support he has (which even if the proportion is much smaller adds up to millions) I'm right about what he is trying to do.
 
Do you have a more reliable figure? Genuinely. I do not have time at the moment and all searches for polls tend to throw up us election polls and not much else.

And regardless of the amount of genuine support he has (which even if the proportion is much smaller adds up to millions) I'm right about what he is trying to do.
But if it is half of Republican voters, it's a quarter of all voters who have to some extent been taken in by this nonsense. Running with those people as your planned base from now into the future doesn't seem smart. And tbh the idea that Trump himself might be a political force after this, as some are suggesting, seems like nonsense to me. The new, slicker, smarter model will be along next time. Trump himself is done.

Forget the dubious polls. It only takes a second to answer a poll. Only 20,000 people bothered to turn up for the weekend protest and a high proportion of those were neonazis.

And I have to say that bonkers Sidney Powell with Chavez plotting from the grave to overturn American democracy doesn't do them any favours in this regard. It's faked moon landing territory, and it will be believed by the same kind and number of people.
 
no pressure or anything


He's undoubtably going to ask them to ignore the vote and assign their Michigan's electoral college votes to him, I look forwards to him ranting away on Twitter accusing them of betrayal when they don't do what he wants.
 
He's undoubtably going to ask them to ignore the vote and assign their Michigan's electoral college votes to him, I look forwards to him ranting away on Twitter accusing them of betrayal when they don't do what he wants.
Fingers crossed that's how it goes.
 
I’m no longer worried that trump will somehow succeed in staying president, but this whole thing is the starkest iteration I’ve seen so far of how there’s no longer any such thing as a shared baseline reality, based on facts or anything else, and that’s what’s really scary. I’ll not be able to laugh at Qanon anymore ever, because look what it can do.

Some days it feels like the very fabric of reality is under attack :(
 
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