US election 2020 thread

[petee]

not 2020 election, but election season anyway


Federal agents said Thursday they thwarted a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer that included visits to her home in northern Michigan and training with explosive devices.

The alleged plot involved conspirators who met during a Second Amendment rally at the Capitol in Lansing in June and reached out to members of a Michigan militia known as the Wolverine Watchmen for reinforcements, according to state and federal officials.

The court filing alleges the conspirators twice conducted surveillance at Whitmer's personal vacation home in northern Michigan and discussed kidnapping her to a "secure location" in Wisconsin to stand "trial" for treason prior to the Nov. 3 election.

"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message."

Plans to kidnap Whitmer, overthrow government spoiled, officials say

The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and\u00a0kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

www.detroitnews.com

 

[bimble]

This is a good move in response to infectious trump’s refusal to do a virtual debate on 15th. What will he do now can’t imagine him just letting this go ahead whilst he’s at home watching it on tv.

 

[JimW]

not 2020 election, but election season anyway


Federal agents said Thursday they thwarted a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer that included visits to her home in northern Michigan and training with explosive devices.

The alleged plot involved conspirators who met during a Second Amendment rally at the Capitol in Lansing in June and reached out to members of a Michigan militia known as the Wolverine Watchmen for reinforcements, according to state and federal officials.

The court filing alleges the conspirators twice conducted surveillance at Whitmer's personal vacation home in northern Michigan and discussed kidnapping her to a "secure location" in Wisconsin to stand "trial" for treason prior to the Nov. 3 election.

"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message."

Plans to kidnap Whitmer, overthrow government spoiled, officials say

The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and\u00a0kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

www.detroitnews.com

Does this mean the FBI is all over them like a rash or is it wiretaps?

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is a good move in response to infectious trump’s refusal to do a virtual debate on 15th. What will he do now can’t imagine him just letting this go ahead whilst he’s at home watching it on tv.
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Excellent, basically empty chair Trump.

 

[two sheds]

tub of lard

 

[petee]

Does this mean the FBI is all over them like a rash or is it wiretaps?

they certainly moved fast, if the goons met in june and have been busted in four months.

Through confidential sources, undercover agents and "clandestine" recordings, federal agents tracked the six men during their planning to kidnap Whitmer as they communicated over encrypted messaging platforms using code words and phrases in an attempt to avoid detection by law enforcement, Birge said.

so both things you mentioned. and it might be ATF too, and the MI state police (though not federal, they could co-operate) , not just FBI.

 

[petee]

details

$10 million bond set for Munith men arrested in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

The men's arrests stem from a joint investigation between state and federal law enforcement agencies spanning several months.

www.mlive.com

their noble attempt comes at the perfect time to boost trump's chances, and I'm not kidding.

 

[RhymnRzn]

things is so far gone now, perhaps it is no longer a stretch of imagination if the two parties finally agreed to fully legalize ganja, disarm the police and heal the nation: if they started talking sense like that, i'd actually raise up and and vote for the first time in my life, if not go and be a servant full on nevermind voting. the other logic is they should just forgo the whole process and deffer to the green party - it needs to be somebody else's turn now

 

[two sheds]

if you're in the US then I think you have to imagine what another few years of trump would mean. White supremacists and the far right taking control - you want to see that? Biden's hardly a saviour but look at the alternative. I'd say get out and vote for the first time.

 

[RhymnRzn]

i'm more of the mind that we'd all be better off after a mandatory pot smokin

 

[two sheds]

yep i'm all in favour but when the haze wears off .... you'd have trump and the proud boys (not the good ones) and the white supremacists on the street.

Good luck with that and legalization.

 

[bimble]

Manoeuverings afoot around the 25th amendment, which i don't know how it took them so long but maybe his latest outbursts (about how "extremely young" he is etc) were just enough to tip it objectively into mad emperor territory.

Pelosi: Congress will discuss rules for Trump's removal under 25th amendment

Democrats plan to create commission to review president’s fitness for office as speaker warns of ‘disassociation from reality’

www.theguardian.com

Can't see anything coming of it apart from maybe more open discussion of how unhinged he currently is.
It's quite a thing to consider that the people who wrote the 25th amendment apparently couldn't imagine a world where the majority of the cabinet around a mad president would act out of anything other than concern for the republic / the greater good, so the president could be any amount of mad, unless Pence and cabinet vote to get rid of him he stays in power.

 

[bimble]

lol
This is apparently the response from team trump to the plans for Biden to get the tv slot to himself.
It says trump will definitely not be infectious by the 15th but also he's not going to turn up anyway losers so there ?
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[petee]

feds had an informant, but they made it easy

 

[Streathamite]

lol
This is apparently the response from team trump to the plans for Biden to get the tv slot to himself.
It says trump will definitely not be infectious by the 15th but also he's not going to turn up anyway losers so there ?
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The Trump campaign really have moved into a whole new planet of self-delusion

 

[Yossarian]

City worker tries to remove Trump sign placed too close to the road, gets cut by razor blades taped on it.

Commerce Township may seek legal action after worker was cut by razor blades taped on political sign

<a href="https://www.clickondetroit.com/topic/Commerce_Township/" target=_blank>Commerce Township</a> officials said they may seek legal action after a township worker was cut by razor blades that were taped along a political sign.

www.clickondetroit.com

 

[Streathamite]

i'm more of the mind that we'd all be better off after a mandatory pot smokin

probably would, but when you've finished smoking, either Trump or Biden will be inaugurated on January 20th. Do you really want another four years of Trump, in exchange for a spliff?

 

[RhymnRzn]

probably would, but when you've finished smoking, either Trump or Biden will be inaugurated on January 20th. Do you really want another four years of Trump, in exchange for a spliff?

sure i'll take the optics of our authorities and politicians passing thru the smoke by commandment, as the Bible says we would rather heal Babylon. and no i wouldn't prescribe wormwood, really its down to rights, not if you actually partake

 

[bimble]

Babylon cannot be healed tho and must be forsaken.

 

[MickiQ]

lol
This is apparently the response from team trump to the plans for Biden to get the tv slot to himself.
It says trump will definitely not be infectious by the 15th but also he's not going to turn up anyway losers so there ?
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the very epitome of a rational, balanced and well thought out argument there

 

[Flavour]

i'm more of the mind that we'd all be better off after a mandatory pot smokin

how old are you

 

[Wilf]

Fwiw, I think the Dems attempt to go with The 25th Amendment is a gift to Trump. His mixture of narcissism and steroids does seem to have sent him to an even wilder place than usual, but it's a very bad move politically. Allows him to use the line, 'so, they can't beat me at the polls etc'. There were ways to suggest he is no longer fit for office and that his state of mind needed assessing independently without invoking this process. Smacks of being 'Impeachment 2'.

 

[belboid]

Fwiw, I think the Dems attempt to go with The 25th Amendment is a gift to Trump. His mixture of narcissism and steroids does seem to have sent him to an even wilder place than usual, but it's a very bad move politically. Allows him to use the line, 'so, they can't beat me at the polls etc'. There were ways to suggest he is no longer fit for office and that his state of mind needed assessing independently without invoking this process. Smacks of being 'Impeachment 2'.

Agree, it’s pure posturing - as the VP and cabinet would have to agree to it. It would cheer up their base a bit, but they’re pretty happy at the moment anyway. And it will rile Trumps base up and could well drive a few of those who are disappointed in what he’s done the kick they need to actually go out and vote for him.

 

[Wilf]

Agree, it’s pure posturing - as the VP and cabinet would have to agree to it. It would cheer up their base a bit, but they’re pretty happy at the moment anyway. And it will rile Trumps base up and could well drive a few of those who are disappointed in what he’s done the kick they need to actually go out and vote for him.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Probably won't push Dems into voting for Trump, but it will push Trump voters into voting for Trump. I think that Biden still wins, but why rock the boat at a month out from the election? There's plenty of other stuff around the national mismanagement of the crisis and trump's personal disregard for the safety of others for them to gnaw away at. Another reminder that the Dems political instincts and links to the voters are awful.

 

[Streathamite]

Fwiw, I think the Dems attempt to go with The 25th Amendment is a gift to Trump. His mixture of narcissism and steroids does seem to have sent him to an even wilder place than usual, but it's a very bad move politically. Allows him to use the line, 'so, they can't beat me at the polls etc'. There were ways to suggest he is no longer fit for office and that his state of mind needed assessing independently without invoking this process. Smacks of being 'Impeachment 2'.

Agreed, but I think it's more shadow boxing and posturing - pelosi gently raising the question that a covid-infected, dexomethasone-tripping president might be temporarily not all there, nudge-nudge, wink-wink. Lightly planting the idea in the mind of independent and undecided voters.
Though how anyone could be undecided after four years of this and a raging pandemic is quite beyond me

 

[moochedit]

probably would, but when you've finished smoking, either Trump or Biden will be inaugurated on January 20th. Do you really want another four years of Trump, in exchange for a spliff?

I wouldn't waste your time. I suspect it's a shy Trump supporter.

 

[Streathamite]

I wouldn't waste your time. I suspect it's a shy Trump supporter.

yeah, you're right. I sensed he ain't worth the effort of engaging

 

[Supine]

Lots of speculation on Twitter that Pence has covid as he cancelled engagements and flew back to Washington.

 

[rutabowa]

dexomethasone-tripping

as I said on other threads, dexamatheasone is a really common drug used very very widely, not some crazy experimental thing. It does not make anyone trip, or behave any differently to normal.

 

[Streathamite]

as I said on other threads, dexamatheasone is a really common drug used very very widely, not some crazy experimental thing. It does not make anyone trip, or behave any differently to normal.

I was informed it makes one feel somewhat euphoric, and lousy when you come off it. Is that wrong?