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‘RECANTED’: Republicans’ star witness alleging voter fraud in Pennsylvania disowns his accusations

Republican efforts to keep President Donald Trump in office despite losing the 2020 presidential race ran into another issue with reality on Tuesday."Erie, Pa. USPS whistleblower completely RECANTED his allegations of a supervisor tampering with mail-in ballots after being questioned by...
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Well ...it got the headlines they wanted

Amazing what "under oath" and the threat of "porridge" will do
 
The way this is panning out I'm getting concerned about the near future in America.

However ridiculous Trumps arguments may be it is starting to feel like those who can are moving into position to actually enable him to steal this thing.
Barr with his federal judges thing, and now the Secretary of State getting shady.
I have a bad feeling about this.
 
Hearing Pompeo earlier, I did wonder if he was throwing his hat in the ring for 2024.
Shows loyalty to Trump at the moment and rakes in all the support that Trump has in the country as well as Trump’s support in the next election.
 
" A Pennsylvania postal worker whose claims have been cited by top Republicans as potential evidence of widespread voting irregularities admitted to U.S. Postal Service investigators that he fabricated the allegations, according to three officials briefed on the investigation and a statement from a House congressional committee. " [Washington Post]

I'm sure Donald and his apologists will now immediately give up the ghost and concede defeat.
 
Tankus said:
www.rawstory.com

‘RECANTED’: Republicans’ star witness alleging voter fraud in Pennsylvania disowns his accusations

Republican efforts to keep President Donald Trump in office despite losing the 2020 presidential race ran into another issue with reality on Tuesday."Erie, Pa. USPS whistleblower completely RECANTED his allegations of a supervisor tampering with mail-in ballots after being questioned by...
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Well ...it got the headlines they wanted

Amazing what "under oath" and the threat of "porridge" will do
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Apparently he got 130k from a GOP donor. Which, totally co-incidentally, was the exact same sum that was payed to Ms Daniels.
 
"A sex offender was arrested Tuesday after posting explosive social media posts that allegedly threatened to kill celebrants of Joe Biden’s presidential win, derided Sen. Chuck Schumer as “the Jew Senator from New York” — and called for the “extermination” of Democrats, federal prosecutors announced.

Brian Maiorana, 54, was picked up at his Staten Island home, where he had stashed a handgun, parts for a second firearm, ammo, a pistol-style crossbow and a Taser, prosecutors allege."


keep the threats coming, keep it on a boil ...
 
JTG said:
GA's GOP Senators Perdue and Loeffler have gone all in on demanding the Georgia Secretary of State resign for mismanaging the elections.

No evidence of any wrongdoing, just demand a fellow Republican stand down because they didn't get the desired result
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That pair of malignant automata ought to be facing the prospect of a harsh sentencing hearing, not a senatorial run-off election.
 
belboid said:
" A Pennsylvania postal worker whose claims have been cited by top Republicans as potential evidence of widespread voting irregularities admitted to U.S. Postal Service investigators that he fabricated the allegations, according to three officials briefed on the investigation and a statement from a House congressional committee. " [Washington Post]

I'm sure Donald and his apologists will now immediately give up the ghost and concede defeat.
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You might think so, but it looks like that story isn't over yet, as far as Trump is concerned

Joe Biden has said President Donald Trump's refusal to concede victory in last week's White House election is "an embarrassment".

A Pennsylvania postal worker who claimed that officials tampered with mail-in ballots in the swing state has recanted his claims, according to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives Oversight Committee.

Richard Hopkins alleged that a postmaster in Erie, Pennsylvania, had instructed workers to backdate late votes so they could be counted.
He signed a legal statement under oath attesting to his claim, but the oversight committee said Mr Hopkins had disowned the allegation after questioning by a US Postal Service inspector general.

A man claiming to be Mr Hopkins later denied retracting his story in a video posted to YouTube. "I did not recant my statement," he said. "That is not what happened and you will find out tomorrow."

Mr Trump retweeted the video, lauding the purported whistleblower as a "brave patriot".

Mr Hopkins' claim was cited in a letter from Senator Lindsey Graham, a Trump ally, to the Department of Justice, urging it to open a federal investigation.

Apparently they're already calling it Postgate...
 
littlebabyjesus said:
The Graun has done a summary of the current lawsuits. This is the best they've got. It is all laughable bollocks.

Trump's longshot election lawsuits: where do things stand?

There really is no coup going on.
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You are still doing the thing of taking donald trump at his word. He says he will overturn the election by proving massive fraud in the courts and you believe that's his only chance.
I know i'm getting a bit obsessive now but there are increasing numbers of knowledgable people loudly sounding the alarm.
The people saying relax it will all be fine put your feet up get popcorn are not reassuring.
 
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bimble said:
Whats a reassuring explanation for this ?

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There isn't a reassuring explanation for that - the motive and action are clear: the DOD has been one of the most resistant departments in the US Govt, and the one that controls the guns. Trump thinks that if he finally gets control of the DOD he can control the guns - the reassuring (I think/hope) thing is that however much he plays musical chairs with the civilian leadership at the DOD, the civs don't actually control the guns - the soldiers do.

There are things he can do - sabotage effectively - that will be lawful and that the military will comply with however much they advise against them, but hosing down the supreme court isn't one of them.

It's not nice, it looks awful, it looks scary, and it is - but getting the US military to act as Trump's personal muscle is going to be a much more difficult challenge than finding compliant loons to stuff into the DOD.
 
kebabking said:
There isn't a reassuring explanation for that - the motive and action are clear: the DOD has been one of the most resistant departments in the US Govt, and the one that controls the guns. Trump thinks that if he finally gets control of the DOD he can control the guns - the reassuring (I think/hope) thing is that however much he plays musical chairs with the civilian leadership at the DOD, the civs don't actually control the guns - the soldiers do.

There are things he can do - sabotage effectively - that will be lawful and that the military will comply with however much they advise against them, but hosing down the supreme court isn't one of them.

It's not nice, it looks awful, it looks scary, and it is - but getting the US military to act as Trump's personal muscle is going to be a much more difficult challenge than finding compliant loons to stuff into the DOD.
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Well presumably one plan is to provoke widespread unrest, blame the unrest on BLM and Antifa and get troops on the street. They don't really need those troops to be shooting anyone, they want a state of emergency as well as trying to give the impression that Biden is on the side of the violent left and against the army. I'm not saying it will work or even that they'll be partially successful just that the SC handing them the election is not the goal here, the legal cases are just the focus of the controversy.
 
Are there any particular parts of the armed forces that Trump might consider to be more on his side than others or than the pentagon in general?
 
bimble said:
You are still doing the thing of taking donald trump at his word. He says he will overturn the election by proving massive fraud in the courts and you believe that's his only chance.
I know i'm getting a bit obsessive now but there are increasing numbers of knowledgable people loudly sounding the alarm.
The people saying relax it will all be fine put your feet up get popcorn are not reassuring.
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It's difficult to know how much of Trump's behaviour is a genuine plan and how much is the action of a petulant child angered at not getting their own way.

But the legal challenges aren't simply about the court cases which may or may not materialise, they're also about demonstrating to the Trump base that he's fighting back against the Dems and their vested interests.

And losing in the courts wouldn't be the end of it, that would be used as further "evidence" that the system is ranged against him

But in the end, I don't think we're going to see a coup or anything resembling one. In the end, Biden will be installed as President.
 
bimble said:
Whats a reassuring explanation for this ?

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What's reassuring about it is how he's focussing on the DoD. The US military is a vast edifice which I'm sure is quite capable of trundling along under its own momentum for a few months without much in the way of centralised control, and even if there's some minor chaos in that time, who cares? The army being a bit of a mess won't make much difference for ordinary folk.

There's no path that leads to Trump getting personal control of the army.
 
I’m not saying I think he’ll succeed in staying in power, only that complacency and sitting back trusting that it’s all fine just an old man shouting at the sky is a mistake.
 
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