maomao
普費斯
Grift more and sow dischord. There's no point doing any of it half-arsed. And if any of them did have any hopes of mass protests or violence from Trump's side it was never going to happen just because they lost.
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Grift more and sow dischord. There's no point doing any of it half-arsed. And if any of them did have any hopes of mass protests or violence from Trump's side it was never going to happen just because they lost.
ska invita
back on the other side
What happens if they replace this Richard Pilger with a Trumpist? Having a loyal lying insider as Director of the Election Crimes Branch might push things along another step?
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bimble
floofy
Aside from anything else if its true that all this crap from trump has convinced 70% of republican voters that the electoral system is a big deep state fraud that they cant trust (whilst not convincing anyone else) that's a massive own goal for the republican party in the long term isn't it.
maomao
普費斯
Only if you think that persuading them that the system is untrustworthy would make them give up and go home. They want people actively trying to overturn the result. Probably mainly for the money they can raise but also with at least the threat of protest and violence.
And the threat of violence was never 'Biden wins > Proud Boys march on D.C.'. It was always about a concerted attempt to present the election as illegitimate and try to overturn the result. They're pushing for one observer (or more, potentially one from each side) per counter at some of the recounts. Can you imagine how that will work in practice? Fighting over every ballot.
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bimble
floofy
So its still just a grift you think, for the personal gain of donald trump & family?
Because with the threat of violence bit, I don't see who stands to benefit from that. Or from a long drawn out eventually pointless bunch of litigation that just ends up convincing republican voters that the system is rigged against them so they wont bother voting next time.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
The vaccine: it's all part of a Deep State plot designed to make Trump look bad, naturally.
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As expected, I posted this on the vaccine thread, some 12 hours before those tweets.
Trump is going to go apeshit that this was announced so soon after the election rather than before, what with Pfizer being an American company.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Dunno, the mass protests and violence could still happen if Trump gives the call or stirs just a bit more. Did anyone see Dispatches last night? Be under no illusion about how divided America is and of the number of aggrieved people with guns.
andysays
Love and solidarity
If this summary of what the AG said is accurate, I don't really see the problem, or any reason for the resignation
You would hardly expect an AG (of whatever party) to say that alleged voting irregularities simply shouldn't be looked into, and his distinction between "substantial allegations" and "specious, speculative, fanciful or far-fetched claims" appears to rule out Trump's fantasy-based ramblings
maomao
普費斯
Why would they react like that? He's just spent five years telling everyone the system's rigged and got the highest turnout on both sides in a century.
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bimble
floofy
If i believed that my vote was going to get set on fire or eaten by soros or whatever I wouldn't bother voting? He told them postal ballots were fraudulent so they didn't use postal ballots, now he's saying the whole system is fraudulent.
Before this election, it was around 35% of republicans who felt the system was rigged this says now its double that.
Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair
The POLITICO/Morning Consult survey found trust in the election system plummeted among Republicans while rising among Democrats after the race was called on Saturday.
www.politico.com
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Im presuming bar, a trump loyalist, was instructed by trump to ordrr this investigation. And trump believes the whole voter fraud bollocks because otherwise hed have to accept that hes a loser.
There's no real strategy or calculation here, its trump's pathology raging through americas political institutions.
There's no real strategy or calculation here, its trump's pathology raging through americas political institutions.
maomao
普費斯
None of the allegations have been about Trump voters' votes being discarded. They've all been allegations of votes being added. And personally I think it takes a lot of trust in the system to not vote or do anything at all. Even some of us who believe there's no point in voting Labour take some pride in our penis sketching skills on election day.If i believed that my vote was going to get set on fire or eaten by soros or whatever I wouldn't bother voting? He told them postal ballots were fraudulent so they didn't use postal ballots, now he's saying the whole system is fraudulent.
Before this election, it was around 35% of republicans who felt the system was rigged this says now its double that.
Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair
The POLITICO/Morning Consult survey found trust in the election system plummeted among Republicans while rising among Democrats after the race was called on Saturday.
And legal actions potentially give Republicans more control over the voting process. That's what they want right?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If the deep state was all about rigging elections why didn't they do it in 2016? When a mere handful of votes here or there could have installed their godhead Hillary Clinton as commander in chief?
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maomao
普費斯
Because they didn't anticipate the godlike power of Trump which is why they made double sure this time.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Pretty sure gods have full control of their bowels.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
and why didnt they ensure more democrats were voted to the senate? - especially in the states where they supposedly added all these extra votes for biden.
bimble
floofy
None of the legal attempts maybe but well over a million people watched a video that one of the idiot sons put on the internet which was supposed to show ballots for trump being set on fire by an evildoer. Very few of those people will care that it was later shown to be a fake. then all the claims about bags of ballots being dumped in rivers etc.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Also - if there was some way that Trump got this to the supreme court and they overturned the election - millions would take to the streets in rage - their would effectively be a civil war. The spinelessness of much of the republican party in mutely allowing this bullshit to carry on really is something to behold.
maomao
普費斯
I don't think even Trump fans listen to Eric.
ska invita
back on the other side
....they've had weeks to prepare and plan for this moment - whats happened so far seems to be what they expected - what Trump said would happen - so there is yet the possibility of strategy and calculation at work here. Whether they have any more tricks up their sleeves remains to be seen i think. I expect they're firing blanks on the whole, but you never know....
bimble
floofy
he did it in 2016 too, but nobody cared much.
Trump falsely claims 'millions of people who voted illegally' cost him popular vote
President-elect Donald Trump alleged Sunday, without evidence, that "millions of people" voted illegally for Hillary Clinton and otherwise he would have won the popular vote. It's an unprecedented allegation by a president-elect.
edition.cnn.com
If anyone wants to know how AZ is going then Biden leads by c15,000 votes with c60,000 votes left to count. Trump requires c63% of the remaining votes to take the lead but slightly fewer than a third of the outstanding vote is in Pima County (Tucson), a county which Biden leads by 20 points.
I do feel it's worth pointing out that much of the reason these things take time to finish off is the system of provisional ballots and and curing mail ballot signatures, both of which are good things for ensuring everyone gets to vote if they wish
EDIT: and of course allowing mail ballots to be received after close of election so long as they were posted beforehand
I do feel it's worth pointing out that much of the reason these things take time to finish off is the system of provisional ballots and and curing mail ballot signatures, both of which are good things for ensuring everyone gets to vote if they wish
EDIT: and of course allowing mail ballots to be received after close of election so long as they were posted beforehand
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The impression I'm getting is not of a well-drilled operation run by someone with a plan. I do think there was a plan, but I think that plan was just to fling as much shit around as possible and hope something sticks. Trouble with that is that there's no single focal point even for diehard Trumpist loons, who by their nature are likely to have short attention spans and a distaste for the stench of failure.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
With 140,000,000 votes cast across half a continent, if they go looking for irregularities they'll find them. A signature that doesn't match. An address that's not right. Does Mr Kozwalski even live in Augusta? A process that hasn't been followed to the letter. A form that's got an error on it. Shit happens. Both sides know that and both sides know it won't make any difference to the result, which isn't even that close any more.
But individual anecdotes can be blow out of all proportion to support the idea that the election was stolen and used to undermine Biden's presidency in the same way the birther stuff just wouldn't go away for Obama. And there will be people who lap it up - the Qanon nonsense is pure fiction, without the slightest basis in reality, and there's plenty of people who, even if not fully behind it, think there might be something there.
But individual anecdotes can be blow out of all proportion to support the idea that the election was stolen and used to undermine Biden's presidency in the same way the birther stuff just wouldn't go away for Obama. And there will be people who lap it up - the Qanon nonsense is pure fiction, without the slightest basis in reality, and there's plenty of people who, even if not fully behind it, think there might be something there.
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