US election 2020 thread

[Smokeandsteam]

With 140,000,000 votes cast across half a continent, if they go looking for irregularities they'll find them. A signature that doesn't match. An address that's not right. Does Mr Kozwalski even live in Augusta? A process that hasn't been followed to the letter. A form that's got an error on it. Shit happens. Both sides know that and both sides know it won't make any difference to the result, which isn't even that close any more.

I think this is on the mark. Anyone who has ever visited a polling station in Birmingham, UK knows that ‘irregularities’ with postal ballots are a thing. But, as you say it’s hard to imagine them finding it on a scale that a) could reasonably be imagined to have affected the result or b) to produce the type of evidence necessary to convince a judge. I’d add it’s just as likely that Trump supporters have been collecting postal votes and ensuring their ‘prompt completion and delivery’. It’s very hard to see where Trump’s camp can go with any of this. But unless he puts the shovel down soon he’s going to find it hard to stop digging the hole....

 

[bimble]

Also - if there was some way that Trump got this to the supreme court and they overturned the election - millions would take to the streets in rage - their would effectively be a civil war. The spinelessness of much of the republican party in mutely allowing this bullshit to carry on really is something to behold.

This is the bit I don't understand - people who are suggesting that part of the plan now is to make widespread unrest / violence more likely, who would that benefit? Trump himself? the republic party? I don't get it.

 

[killer b]

Enjoyable list here of write-in votes in Vermont - each one tells a small story of a weird personal obsession

 

[gentlegreen]

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This is the bit I don't understand - people who are suggesting that part of the plan is to make widespread violence more likely, who would that benefit? Trump himself? the republic party? I don't get it.

And Trump's newly politicised military would presumably have to fire on Trumptards ...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Enjoyable list here of write-in votes in Vermont - each one tells a small story of a weird personal obsession
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A win for Bernie....

 

[bimble]

cant believe Vermin Supreme only got 8 votes.

Vermin Supreme - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Crispy]

Only one for santa?

 

[eoin_k]

Cornelly West: 1 vote

 

[JTG]

Willie Nelson outpolling Hillary there, as is good and correct

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Cheddar Stump got 2 votes?

 

[JTG]

Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska has extended his congratulations to Joe Biden on his victory.

Prominent Republicans who have accepted the result:
Sen. Ben Sasse (NE)
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (AK)
President George W Bush
Maybe half a dozen House Reps

It's not a massive list so far

 

[frogwoman]

Fauci would have got 10 or something if all the variants of his name were combined.

 

[mauvais]

Are the typos in that legit? I hope 78 people voted for Tusli and none for Tulsi.

 

[brogdale]

Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska has extended his congratulations to Joe Biden on his victory.

Prominent Republicans who have accepted the result:
Sen. Ben Sasse (NE)
Sen. Mitt Romney (UT)
Sen. Susan Collins (ME)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (AK)
President George W Bush
Maybe half a dozen House Reps

It's not a massive list so far

Something that can only create further problems for GOP as so few representatives have the guts to dissociate themselves from the Trump regime. Crucially, the longer that Loeffler & Perdue leave it, the greater leverage it grants to the Georgia Dems to motivate their ground-war and GOTV for the Senate seats.

 

[Pickman's model]

Going to be interesting to see if he actually does get the Nobel prize next year, cos (touch wood) he did a full term without starting anything (a rarity for a US President...whilst they gave one to Obama for basically not being GWB. That said I personally feel we are closer to WW3 than we were 4 years ago, which is in part down to Trump though Iraq casts a long shadow

Yeh let's ignore China's sterling contribution to global instability

 

[killer b]

Are the typos in that legit? I hope 78 people voted for Tusli and none for Tulsi.

some of them clearly are, viz. several spellings of Fauci.

 

[JTG]

Wouldn't it be nice if British networks showed guts like this

 

[gentlegreen]

From June ...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Something that can only create further problems for GOP as so few representatives have the guts to dissociate themselves from the Trump regime. Crucially, the longer that Loeffler & Perdue leave it, the greater leverage it grants to the Georgia Dems to motivate their ground-war and GOTV for the Senate seats.

Yep, and materially this ought to be the gop's top priority right now. They need to win at least one of these seats and they ought to be confident of doing so. But they seem determined to fuck it up. The election didn't actually go that badly for them.

 

[nogojones]

He got a new heart - or possibly a first one - in 2012, which probably messed up a lot of Dead Pool bets.

Isn't he on his third heart ( and fourth skin) now?

 

[bimble]

Yep, and materially this ought to be the gop's top priority right now. They need to win at least one of these seats and they ought to be confident of doing so. But they seem determined to fuck it up. The election didn't actually go that badly for them.

Only rational explanation I can think of is they think coming out against trump now will mean his devotees will see them individually as traitors?

 

[brogdale]

Yep, and materially this ought to be the gop's top priority right now. They need to win at least one of these seats and they ought to be confident of doing so. But they seem determined to fuck it up. The election didn't actually go that badly for them.

And the Dems have nearly a month (Dec 7th) to continue with their registration drive. Can't see the T(rump) GOP being as motivated by the outcome and current debacle.

 

[Southlondon]

This is the bit I don't understand - people who are suggesting that part of the plan now is to make widespread unrest / violence more likely, who would that benefit? Trump himself? the republic party? I don't get it.

The aim of white supremacists has always been to provoke a race war so society collapses and a new world rises out of the ashes. They are imbedded into the trump coalition and will be doing everything they can to escalate the situation, and as for republican politicians, they see their man increase the number votes received despite an all out campaign from democrats bolstered by anyone-but-trump voters and and for careerists as opposed to former politicians will be wary of going against their supporter base and alienating the working class rust belt voters that back trump. The far right backed up by a 1/4 million registered militia men armed to the teeth would be counting on a fracture in the states armed forces if the army was sent in to quell unrest and were faced with the prospect of being ordered to fire on Americans. All trump needs to do is to find the handful of dodgy ballots ( and out of all those votes there are bound to be some that can be held up as examples of what he will allege is organised voter fraud, and that would be enough to stoke a full scale uprising if he can rally a rump of republicans to back him. I think it’s all a long shot, but the old guard proved inept at holding his excesses in check to date and now he knows it’s all or nothing for him and his evil brood as the democrats will be looking to crush his organisation with law suits, so I really don’t see it as a long stretch of imagination to assume he could go all out and call his supporters onto the streets to take back what he sees (or claims to see) as his legitimate presidency. End of the day you don’t beat fascism by playing to their rules because fascists are not tied to democracy, so to his core supporters who have swallowed his narrative that it’s the establishment who want to take away their rights and he is the only politician standing up to them, the election loss is just further confirmation of the message they’ve been getting throughout his presidency which is confirmed and amplified by a network of far right news sites and dodgy evangelical preachers. His loss has not diminished his support and I think they do truest believe he was robbed of the presidency so why wouldn’t they rise up? Winning at the ballot box against fascists does not equate to bearing them where it batters - hearts and minds

 

[JTG]

While we're talking Georgia, Stacey Abrams is tweeting Buffy opinions and I am totally here for it

 

[Orang Utan]

While we're talking Georgia, Stacey Abrams is tweeting Buffy opinions and I am totally here for it

Also a Dr Who and Star Trek fan

 

[JTG]

Also a Dr Who and Star Trek fan

Shame

 

[ignatious]

Yep, and materially this ought to be the gop's top priority right now. They need to win at least one of these seats and they ought to be confident of doing so. But they seem determined to fuck it up. The election didn't actually go that badly for them.

They’ve got no chance of winning the runoff without Trump diehards turning out in big numbers for them. They need to feed his base, and that’s what they’ll do.

 

[Edward Kelly]

Also - if there was some way that Trump got this to the supreme court and they overturned the election - millions would take to the streets in rage - their would effectively be a civil war. The spinelessness of much of the republican party in mutely allowing this bullshit to carry on really is something to behold.

It's the Republican Party and trump who are pushing for it, it's no good trying to apply our logic or standards to what the Republicans, trump and his Cult think or do. Expecting to be able to figure them out rationally is just banging our collective heads against a wall. I find it easier to not even try to analyse them or debate them with facts and double that when trying to work trumps lies out...I assume everything he says is bullshit and go from there.

Ironically, I just got booted off YouTube (about 2 hours ago) because of posts I made "that are hateful and incite violence etc" but were the same as the post I put in the Election 2020 thread on here a day or two ago, that got likes ! lol Damn you urbanites !! you egged me on !...
All I wanted was for trump to have a stroke and shit himself on live TV ... The thing is, the thread was absolutely taken over by Wingnuts calling for a Civil war because Biden was elected illegally with the help of the media.
My posts weren't even in the same ballpark.

 

[frogwoman]

If they already think the election is rigged, they might just stay at home tho. I mean what's to stop the Georgia election being rigged too?

 

[gosub]

Yeh let's ignore China's sterling contribution to global instability

I'm not ignoring, what happened in Iraq impacted on China's foreign policy