Your anarchist eutopia where people don't have to engage with the realpolitik doesn't exist. Your finger wagging and foot stamping is making you look daft.
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Your anarchist eutopia where people don't have to engage with the realpolitik doesn't exist. Your finger wagging and foot stamping is making you look daft.
maomao
普費斯
Or even if he had the target right. I just contradicted a cousin of mine on Facebook who thinks Biden's wonderful but apart from a few dimwits there's not much actual enthusiasm for the new fellow here.
bimble
floofy
Maybe, but if so nobody seems to have told Rudy. Could be he just woke up in that parking lot.
Yeah I mean Joe Biden is objectively bad but he also doesn't exist in a vacuum where it's him or whatever it is you want.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
He often puts things in quotes that are altered from the original.
prunus
Tick tock.
I think there were only about 65m mail-in ballots in the whole country, making the claim quite hard to substantiate.
Yeah similar daft posturing posts were made in 2008 as I recall.
no dancing or smiles until the whole Capitlist hegemony comes down at the hands of an autonomous, enlightened righteous working class, you morons.
<folds arms, shakes head and tuts>
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah but some people were sent them without asking for them! That's another of his schticks.
But good good. Just makes it even madder.
I wasn't meaning to dig you out - it's actually fair enough that you've been worried about it - it's what Trump wanted you to think. When he told the Proud Boys to 'stand by', he wanted you to think of them as a threat - an organised, militarised threat. Maybe he even thought they were. But the dark chat about coups and far-right violence was mostly stoked by the other side - and I think you have to recognise that it's probably part of the reason for such a huge turnout.
maomao
普費斯
I'm not sure. It wasn't a prepared question and I don't think he's smart enough to have phrased it like that deliberately off the cuff. I think he was trying to move on from the question without conceding and just came out with some accidentally meaningful nonsense.
I don't suppose there's any way of knowing, but if it was accidental he somehow ended up using a form of words that reinforced people's worst fears, fears that he's already spent the last half-decade encouraging, so I'm not really bothered about giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Bourgeois democracy doesn't give a toss about people giving their consent. The state asserts and assumes consent whether you like it or not. It did before the vote was given to 18-year olds, or women, or the working class, or the middle class. Before the vote even. People can choose to vote, or choose not to, and the state will claim legitimacy anyway.
One reason not everyone cares about anarchists getting locked up is that very few actually are (nowadays in the West) and most people know very little about anarchism. They think anarchists go around chucking bombs at people, even though they couldn't give you any contemporary examples.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Just to be crystal clear about this. Biden wasn't suggesting that anarchists should be tracked down and dragged from their homes in dawn raids for being 'anarchists'. He was suggesting that people who broke the law should be prosecuted. This is about as non-story a non-story can possibly be.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that's your problem. Everyone else is perfectly capable.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Don't encourage him, ffs.
For the record, I think electoral democracy is something of a sham and am strongly against locking up anarchists (or almost anybody really). But tbh it seems like an awful lot of marginalised people in the US have felt less safe over the past few years and now strongly feel more safe as well as empowered and it's not for me to tell them that they're wrong before we plunge onwards into the next battle, which will be a continuation of the last one.
We're not above or separate from this society business and we don't get far by loudly telling people they're wrong about their own oppression
We're not above or separate from this society business and we don't get far by loudly telling people they're wrong about their own oppression
bimble
floofy
Re overestimating the threat of the trump-supporting armed men, a lot of it (in my case anyway) will just be that i'm by nature a bit obsessed with a sort of nazi-hunting (know your enemy type thing) and spend far too much time on the internet, where these last four years I've read plenty all about the proud boys and the 1%ers and the boogaloo and The Angry Vikings, whilst not reading anything at all about people like that man neatly folding away his trump flag.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
economic policy analysis here:
www.nybooks.com
This newfound perception of Trump as ideologically extreme likely stems in large measure from his embrace of an economic agenda that most poor and working-class Americans loathe. In 2016, according to exit polls, Trump lost voters who earned under $50,000 by roughly ten points; this year, he lost them by fifteen points. In 2016, voters earning between $50,000 and $100,000 favored him by four points; this year, that flipped to a thirteen-point deficit.
Among the richest Americans—those earning over $100,000—Trump substantially improved his margin of victory over 2016. But in blue-collar America, his support crumbled. Some of that shift may be because of Trump’s opponent, but much of it is because of Trump himself.
How Trump Lost | Peter Beinart
The roots of Donald Trump’s reelection defeat can be traced to the early summer of 2016, when he made a fateful bargain with his own party. In June of
This newfound perception of Trump as ideologically extreme likely stems in large measure from his embrace of an economic agenda that most poor and working-class Americans loathe. In 2016, according to exit polls, Trump lost voters who earned under $50,000 by roughly ten points; this year, he lost them by fifteen points. In 2016, voters earning between $50,000 and $100,000 favored him by four points; this year, that flipped to a thirteen-point deficit.
Among the richest Americans—those earning over $100,000—Trump substantially improved his margin of victory over 2016. But in blue-collar America, his support crumbled. Some of that shift may be because of Trump’s opponent, but much of it is because of Trump himself.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
economic policy analysis here:
How Trump Lost | Peter Beinart
The roots of Donald Trump’s reelection defeat can be traced to the early summer of 2016, when he made a fateful bargain with his own party. In June of
This newfound perception of Trump as ideologically extreme likely stems in large measure from his embrace of an economic agenda that most poor and working-class Americans loathe. In 2016, according to exit polls, Trump lost voters who earned under $50,000 by roughly ten points; this year, he lost them by fifteen points. In 2016, voters earning between $50,000 and $100,000 favored him by four points; this year, that flipped to a thirteen-point deficit.
Among the richest Americans—those earning over $100,000—Trump substantially improved his margin of victory over 2016. But in blue-collar America, his support crumbled. Some of that shift may be because of Trump’s opponent, but much of it is because of Trump himself.
Perhaps because his policies, in their substance, have been pretty solidly Republican. Perhaps in 2016, some poor people hoped that they wouldn't be like that, while some rich people feared that they wouldn't be like that?
"There is more that unites us than divides us"
petee
no gods, no malarkey
i agree, it isn't over until it's over. i assume that the networks have demographic information that would be very laborious/expensive for your basic citizen to get, and they'll have the history of voting patterns too (which your basic citizen could get with a bit of time). their reputations/rates for ads/profit margins depend on this sort of thing, so for their own sakes they'd better be right.
but that the votes from phila would break democratic isn't a stretch.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It's one of those things where you know you are dealing with crazy people, prone to making irrational decisions, but you still can't work out why the fuck they did that. Just weird. Alan Partridge meets Alan Titchmarsh.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You do realise that's no more than diplomatic protocol and that he's got his fingers crossed behind his back during all that, right?
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