US election 2020 thread

[littlebabyjesus]

No it's not, especially as some people who call themselves anarchists have probably voted for him, aswell those on the left.

Come off it. The context of this is that he was talking about people rioting, and it came in response to claims from Trump that Biden was actively assisting rioters. There is not a leader in the world who would not say 'we should prosecute rioters' when asked. This is just childish.

 

[Aladdin]

I found this very moving. And it show how strainedand stressed people were under Trump's presidency.

 

[Hollis]

Have nevada finished their annual leave yet?

I've been trying to find out if Clark County Federal Adminstration have any job vacancies... Sounds like the sort of place I'd like to work.

Unfortunately their website seems to be permanently crashed as well.

As you were.

 

[maomao]

It's really easy to say that now, but that definitely wasn't what people were mostly worried about last week. Or even on Tuesday night.

Luckily my posting record over the past couple of months is consistent with my current view.

Though I think the widespread obvious joy at Trump's defeat was in some senses a game changer.

 

[JTG]

I found this very moving. And it show how strainedand stressed people were under Trump's presidency.

There's quite a wide gap between the response to that from the UK left who - of course - have very little context to this stuff and in the US where I have seen a fair few black folk calling Van Jones out for being an apparent fraud who is on record as being supportive of Trump.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Tbh I'd be surprised if the Americans didn't have a president who wanted to lock up anarchists, it kind of goes with the office

Which is why I'm against participating in the sham that is bourgeois democracy and giving it my consent to rule over myself and others. Thing is, not everyone cares about anarchists getting locked up and all the other heinous shit that Biden stands for.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Don't know quite where to put this. This is Lindsey Graham talking about women and their a place in society:




Essentially, you can have a place as long as you know your place. And, he's on his way back to the Senate.

 

[JTG]

In terms of the discussion around Biden being very bad and nothing to celebrate:

1) the downfall of a bastard is always worth celebrating
2) if people who are oppressed anyway and may have felt even more so the last four years want to let their hair down for ten minutes on a Saturday, let them. Not your place to tell them they can't

That's the whole of the take really

 

[bimble]

It's really easy to say that now, but that definitely wasn't what people were mostly worried about last week. Or even on Tuesday night.

Yep i'll put my hand up, was far too worried about something that it turns out was mostly a bogeyman of my own imagination. The men with guns and nazi t-shirts on I can laugh at them today, sort of, but that's only because they haven't turned out to be poised and organised ready to actually do stuff (apart from dress up and stand around looking a bit ridiculous) and i wasn't at all sure about that until it just didn't happen.
Also in my imagination there were just many more hardcore trumpers than seems to be the case. That man quietly taking down his flag, I hadn't understood that he outnumbers the loud and often talked about nutters by a long way.

 

[JTG]

That man quietly taking down his flag, I hadn't understood that he outnumbers the loud and often talked about nutters by a long way.

In my experience they always do

 

[cupid_stunt]

FFS still no entertaining tweets from trump, it's been over 15 hours since his last one, have they sedated him?

 

[maomao]

FFS still no entertaining tweets from trump, it's been over 15 hours since his last one, have they sedated him?

If his kids have managed to persuade him to stop squandering their inheritances on legal wild goose chases then he's probably starting to feel a bit silly. Though hasn't he sacked a few officials in that time?

 

[JimW]

The reason they haven't burned the cities down is because they all live in the country and suburbs. Maybe smoke a grain elevator?

 

[JTG]

FFS still no entertaining tweets from trump, it's been over 15 hours since his last one, have they sedated him?

I did see something suggesting - "White House source" obvs - that Kushner had drawn the short straw to go tell Trump that he might wanna consider conceding the election. So we are now into that scene from Downfall for real

 

[prunus]

The way I read it is that he's suggesting that there would have been violence if the boot had been on the other foot. That's not incitement.

Yes I can see that’s certainly valid. I did read it the other way initially though. If it was anyone other than the dumb trump it could be clever plausibly deniable incitement. But that would require it to be clever, which can’t be...

 

[Spymaster]

Which is why I'm against participating in the sham that is bourgeois democracy and giving it my consent to rule over myself and others. Thing is, not everyone cares about anarchists getting locked up and all the other heinous shit that Biden stands for.

 

[Hollis]

FFS still no entertaining tweets from trump, it's been over 15 hours since his last one, have they sedated him?

He's awake again.

 

[prunus]

He's awake again.

Yup, and claiming there were over a hundred million mail-in ballots in cities like Philadelphia. Which certainly would be fishy, if it were true.

 

[Roadkill]

I did see something suggesting - "White House source" obvs - that Kushner had drawn the short straw to go tell Trump that he might wanna consider conceding the election. So we are now into that scene from Downfall for real

Here.

He's tweeting again now - more of the same deranged bollocks, of course.

 

[brogdale]

Yup, and claiming there were over a hundred million mail-in ballots in cities like Philadelphia. Which certainly would be fishy, if it were true.

Yuge

 

[brogdale]

We'll miss this.

 

[JTG]

Here.

He's tweeting again now - more of the same deranged bollocks, of course.

Ta, that's the one I saw and couldn't be bothered searching for

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yup, and claiming there were over a hundred million mail-in ballots in cities like Philadelphia. Which certainly would be fishy, if it were true.

It continues next tweet with 'and Detroit'. He's continuing down this dog-whistle line (what do Philly and Detroit have in common?).

However, over 100 million mail-in ballots in cities (like Philadelphia and Detroit - this is presumably a clarification for people who don't know what cities are) is not impossible - most people live in cities, and a lot of people voted by mail.

ETA: Just checking the maths, he's specifically name-checking PA and MI states. That's 36 EC votes between them. He would still need to take Arizona, but if he does that, he can win by getting PA and MI reversed. (Just trying to work out exactly how it is he thinks he can still win. If Arizona turns red, Trump might just keep on down this hole.)

 

[quimcunx]

Here.

He's tweeting again now - more of the same deranged bollocks, of course.

Not enough CAPS.

 

[Raheem]

We'll miss this.

Reckon it will still be there if we ever need it.

 

[JimW]

He just keeps on crying! Always minded of that thing in Trainspotting about being colonised by wankers, we're being marched into the abyss by man-babies.

 

[JTG]

It continues next tweet with 'and Detroit'. He's continuing down this dog-whistle line (what do Philly and Detroit have in common?).

However, over 100 million mail-in ballots in cities (like Philadelphia and Detroit - this is presumably a clarification for people who don't know what cities are) is not impossible - most people live in cities, and a lot of people voted by mail.

I mean, there is in fact a long history of Democrats and corrupt electoral practices - Mayor Daly in Chicago for eg - and everyone knows this. That's another reason why it's so incredibly easy to convince people that something's gone on because both sides have a history of widespread cheating.

fwiw I don't think Democrats have been like this for a long while but the point is, it's in the popular imagination

 

[Raheem]

They seem to have rowed back quite a distance now, though. No longer alleging fraud, just suggesting that it's always a possibility and no-one can prove it didn't happen. Think the shoreline of a concession can't be all that far off.

 

[Mr Moose]

Like how Starmer was definitely going to have to accommodate the left in the LP. How's that working out?

Given the state of play in the senate, even if Biden wanted to pivot to the left, which he won’t, he is still more likely to be courting Republicans. The opportunities for US left through Biden are very narrow indeed, but would you say non-existent?

 

[emanymton]

Seems to me you can't really celebrate one thing (Trump losing) without celebrating the other- a moderate Republican (Biden) winning. Because of what the first thing means.

You can point and laugh at Trump though.