US election 2020 thread

[bimble]

democrats have won the popular vote in 7/8 of the last 8 elections i just read (including this one). I dont know what you do with that, apart from be reminded what a nuts system it is, but it might be worth bearing in mind a bit when people write all the 'idiot democrats should have done this this this' takes.

 

[JTG]

On that late ballots probably will be significant. CA, and others, having votes posted on the 3rd to be valid

I remember last time Hillary's lead grew for days and days afterwards as California's count dragged on. New York can take their sweet time totting it all up as well

 

[Pickman's model]

democrats have won the popular vote in 7/8 of the last 8 elections i just read (including this one). I dont know what you do with that, apart from be reminded what a nuts system it is, but it might be worth bearing in mind a bit when people write all the 'idiot democrats should have done this this this' takes.

to be fair of those last eight elections the democrats won half (1992, 1996, 2008, 2012), it's not like they've been cheated by the system every time (withholdling judgment on this one till there is an actual winner)

 

[JTG]

democrats have won the popular vote in 7/8 of the last 8 elections i just read (including this one). I dont know what you do with that, apart from be reminded what a nuts system it is, but it might be worth bearing in mind a bit when people write all the 'idiot democrats should have done this this this' takes.

See your point but you play to the rules of the game and in all honesty if you lose Florida on the same day they vote by a mile to raise their minimum wage then you probably want to look at whether you're offering voters what they actually want

 

[killer b]

being cheated by the system a quarter of those times is pretty harsh though.

 

[Idris2002]

Biden 50.2%
Trump 48.3%

what a fucking joke the US Democratic party is

 

[redsquirrel]

I remember last time Hillary's lead grew for days and days afterwards as California's count dragged on. New York can take their sweet time totting it all up as well

Exactly, guess extra early voting this year could mitigate the above somewhat but even so you'd expect a Dem shift in the popular vote over the next week+

 

[cupid_stunt]

Biden is now ahead by around 35k in Michigan.

 

[Pickman's model]

being cheated by the system a quarter of those times is pretty harsh though.

yeh well i don't recall the last time a general election in this country resulted in the incoming government receiving the support of the majority of the electorate. don't think it's happened in my lifetime. perhaps not even in Sasaferrato's.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Has biden probably got michigan? according to the gruan he has a 1.5 % lead and there's only 4% of the vote left to count

 

[strung out]

being cheated by the system a quarter of those times is pretty harsh though.

Agreed - and as shit as the Democrats are politically and in their choice of candidates, it's a tough ask to win an election each time when you're effectively handicapped by the requirement to win maybe 5% more votes than your opponent in each election, appealing to the specific constituencies of voters that form the coalition of supporters in the states you need to win.

 

[killer b]

Has biden probably got michigan? according to the gruan he has a 1.5 % lead and there's only 4% of the vote left to count

the lead only seems to be growing as they count, so I'd say so.

 

[planetgeli]

Biden has now won more votes than any Presidential candidate ever, surpassing Obama.

 

[Lord Camomile]

yeh well i don't recall the last time a general election in this country resulted in the incoming government receiving the support of the majority of the electorate. don't think it's happened in my lifetime. perhaps not even in Sasaferrato's.

No, but they did at least get more votes than the party that came in second; that feels like the bare fucking minimum you'd expect.

 

[JTG]

Michigan Secretary of State hopes to have an unofficial tabulation of results in the next 24 hours - so an unofficial result by the end of the day

Wisconsin Elections Commission confirm no more votes left to count - Joe Biden would seem to have won Wisconsin

 

[JTG]

Agreed - and as shit as the Democrats are politically and in their choice of candidates, it's a tough ask to win an election each time when you're effectively handicapped by the requirement to win maybe 5% more votes than your opponent in each election, appealing to the specific constituencies of voters that form the coalition of supporters in the states you need to win.

Good thing that doesn't happen here

 

[killer b]

Agreed - and as shit as the Democrats are politically and in their choice of candidates, it's a tough ask to win an election each time when you're effectively handicapped by the requirement to win maybe 5% more votes than your opponent in each election, appealing to the specific constituencies of voters that form the coalition of supporters in the states you need to win.

Quite, which is one reason Bernie isn't necessarily the dead cert some seem to think he would have been - he might be able to sweep the rust belt, but could well be at the cost of other constituencies in other swing states.

(I would still have preferred him in the seat mind)

 

[bimble]

Biden has now won more votes than any Presidential candidate ever, surpassing Obama.

is it that more people have voted than ... ever?

 

[planetgeli]

is it that more people have voted than ... ever?

Yes, high turnout. Trump himself is now 3rd on the list.

You still have to get people out to vote though don't you? It's a sign of that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

is it that more people have voted than ... ever?

It's not such an amazing thing. US population has grown by more than 10% in the last 20 years. That's a record that ought to be broken regularly.

 

[JTG]

Wisconsin Elections Commission confirm no more votes left to count - Joe Biden would seem to have won Wisconsin

On which note, I think we all need to express our thanks to the good voters of Milwaukee for riding to the rescue this morning when all seemed lost

 

[JimW]

So can I start collecting on those bets with family and friends? Eyes on whats really at stake here.

 

[brogdale]

No, but they did at least get more votes than the party that came in second; that feels like the bare fucking minimum you'd expect.

1951 & 1874 in the UK

 

[killer b]

So can I start collecting on those bets with family and friends? Eyes on whats really at stake here.

give it til teatime.

 

[planetgeli]

It's not such an amazing thing. US population has grown by more than 10% in the last 20 years. That's a record that ought to be broken regularly.

But it isn't broken regularly, at least not like this. The point is that it illustrates the polarisation and need that people invested in the election. The turnout here is some 10% higher than the last few elections. And the story in that is obvious. You can't dismiss it on terms of population growth.

 

[JTG]

WE CAN STILL WIN THIS

 

[JimW]

give it til teatime.

Risky, the wife might have blown her stake on food for the kids.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

On which note, I think we all need to express our thanks to the good voters of Milwaukee for riding to the rescue this morning when all seemed lost

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Fonz was a republican

 

[JTG]

Fonz was a republican

I DON'T CARE

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But it isn't broken regularly, at least not like this. The point is that it illustrates the polarisation and need that people invested in the election. The turnout here is some 10% higher than the last few elections. And the story in that is obvious. You can't dismiss it on terms of population growth.

Yes, fair point. Although 66% is still only high by US terms. For many countries, that would be low. But you are right that the polarisation has brought out more of the vote on both sides. And that's the bit many of us didn't see coming - I expected Biden to get about what he's got, but I didn't expect trump to also significantly increase his vote.