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Ted Striker said:
Don't spoil my night with a discussion on popular vote pls :mad:.
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To pretend that the popular vote does not matter is absurd, of course it matters, politically it matters far more than the EC vote. It shows that the GOPs populist right turn is appealing to a (significant) minority of the country, and actually turning off many voters.

Now politics is always more than voting but the popular vote is more political than the EC vote, to dismiss it is to fall into the trap of liberals everywhere of seeing the electoral as the political. To follow Toynbee's nonsense that a few thousand more votes would stop the BNP, as if by being denied seats suddenly makes all those BNP voters just vanish in a puff of smoke.
 
Due to the shitefest were having I am now really hoping that old school republican supreme court justices can actually use their detachment from electoral politics to be the moderate voice.

any port in a storm eh?
 
redsquirrel said:
To pretend that the popular vote does not matter is absurd, of course it matters, politically it matters far more than the EC vote. It shows that the GOPs populist right turn is appealing to a (significant) minority of the country, and actually turning off many voters.

Now politics is always more than voting but the popular vote is more political than the EC vote, to dismiss it is to fall into the trap of liberals everywhere of seeing the electoral as the political. To follow Toynbee's nonsense that a few thousand more votes would stop the BNP, as if by being denied seats suddenly makes all those BNP voters just vanish in a puff of smoke.
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Sure, it's more relevant than the EC. But until 2024, politics is a noose around the necks of the GOP.
 
So can we now say that 'shy Trumpers' are a real thing?

Is there a narrative we can look to - polls wrong, voter suppression, just really slow counting?

(Got up at 3am for a piss, looked at phone and thought it was a fucking shit show - I now think that Trump will win).
 
kebabking said:
So can we now say that 'shy Trumpers' are a real thing?

Is there a narrative we can look to - polls wrong, voter suppression, just really slow counting?

(Got up at 3am for a piss, looked at phone and thought it was a fucking shit show - I now think that Trump will win).
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That's for the pollsters to answer if they can but have a hunch that they either got their composition of the electorate wrong ie higher turnout of Trumpier demographics than they bargained for or they just can't speak to enough Trumpettes - whether that's failing to contact by phone, online or whatever
 
maomao said:
If it's turning voters off why does Trump already have more votes than Romney or McCain?
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Because the size of the electorate has increased, Trump took a lower share of the vote than Romney and (unless my calculations are off) a lower share of the electorate than both
 
Looks like Trump is up quite a bit with Latino voters in Florida, perhaps the ratfucking via WhatsApp did the job, just like in Brazil.

Seeing Farage up there campaigning at rallies made me realise it was the same bunch behind Trump as in 2016, Brexit etc, doubtless using data/social media to target voters very precisely and effectively, while the Democratic campaign was bigging up how much they’d spent on TV advertising in swing states. Doubtless we’ll find out more in the post-mortem.
 
redsquirrel said:
Because the size of the electorate has increased, Trump took a lower share of the vote than Romney and (unless my calculations are off) a lower share of the electorate than both
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A lot more votes to come in though. He'll have a higher proportion of the electorate by the final count. More total votes (as proportion of electorate) just suggests voters aren't 'turned off'.
 
Just woke up to see that Trump seems to be winning all the swing states. Is he actually on course to win this??
 
Dogsauce said:
Looks like Trump is up quite a bit with Latino voters in Florida, perhaps the ratfucking via WhatsApp did the job, just like in Brazil.

Seeing Farage up there campaigning at rallies made me realise it was the same bunch behind Trump as in 2016, Brexit etc, doubtless using data/social media to target voters very precisely and effectively, while the Democratic campaign was bigging up how much they’d spent on TV advertising in swing states. Doubtless we’ll find out more in the post-mortem.
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Can I blame fucking Facebook yet?
 
Whatever happens, even if biden does get to be president, the main thing i want to understand (because i so dont' get it) is that half of Americans have seen the same man as me for the last four years and chose that they want more of that.
 
kabbes said:
Just woke up to see that Trump seems to be winning all the swing states. Is he actually on course to win this??
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Yes/no/don't know
Only flips so far are Nebraska 02 (1 vote) and probably Arizona (11 votes)
WI, MI, PA, GA & Maine 02 up in the air (I'm writing NC off)
 
kabbes said:
Just woke up to see that Trump seems to be winning all the swing states. Is he actually on course to win this??
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Betting markets have thought so for hours now. Joe's path is still a good shot, but reliant on counts of postal vote, which won't happen tonight, and ofc is open to Trump legal (or otherwise) sabotage.
 
Dogsauce said:
you can blame the democratic campaign for not using the same techniques, or effectively countering them.
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I think there's a significant gap there, yes. Same in the UK. Very little coverage of this stuff that I could find, possibly because it's still so dark
 
bimble said:
Whatever happens, even if biden does get to be president, the main thing i want to understand (because i so dont' get it) is that half of Americans have seen the same man as me for the last four years and chose that they want more of that.
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You prefer a jackal.

Most people prefer a wolf.
 
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