US disregards diplomatic protocol, humiliates India's deputy consul general

[8ball]

Er no they and china massivly dont get on

Really?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

.... The idea that India or China could dump their considerable social/economic and cultural baggage/characteristics and 'super-up' represents an awful lot of misplaced faith in neo-liberal capitalism if you ask me.

Neo-liberal Capitalism has destroyed more economies than its ever going to raise up.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

She didn't offend the USA. She abused her servant.

She "allegedly" abused her servant. But, I'm generally on the servant's side here. The respective governments can stick their little tiff up their respective asses. It seems like the real issue has been lost here.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

She "allegedly" abused her servant. But, I'm generally on the servant's side here. The respective governments can stick their little tiff up their respective asses. It seems like the real issue has been lost here.

So has the servant, she's done a bunk; as do many a servant who then pop up claiming maltreatment and getting a green card in return for a conviction.

So the Indians say.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

So has the servant, she's done a bunk; as do many a servant who then pop up claiming maltreatment and getting a green card in return for a conviction.

So the Indians say.

I have my doubts the above is true. The "unfaithful servant" is a common theme in Indian literature.

However, considering a maid's prospects in India, I wouldn't blame them for taking whatever opportunity that comes their way.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I have my doubts if the above is true. The "unfaithful servant" is common theme in Indian literature.

However, considering a maid's prospects in India, I wouldn't blame them for taking whatever opportunity that comes their way.

There seems to be a lot of racist stereotyping going on all over this thread tbf.

 

[Pickman's model]

There seems to be a lot of racist stereotyping going on all over this thread tbf.

yes, there is.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There seems to be a lot of racist stereotyping going on all over this thread tbf.

Its not racist to suggest that there's a lot of poverty in India (or the US for that matter). And it not racist to doubt what a government, any government says.

Its beginning to amaze me how far Urban seems willing to go out of its way to take against a worker's rights, as long as they can tweak the US government. I'd always thought that the posters of Urban were generally worker friendly. Not on this thread it seems.

 

[petee]

Its beginning to amaze me how far Urban seems willing to go out of its way to take against a worker's rights, as long as they can tweak the US government.

leftists going on about the niceties of diplomatic immunities.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

....

Xenophobes.

Its a lucky thing that she's a diplomat. I'm only advocating for an investigation and expulsion from the country if the allegations prove true. Arresting her wasn't the way to handle it. However, if she were a citizen, I'd want to see her arrested, thrown in with the general population, and prosecuted like anyone else.

 

[camouflage]

I agree regarding India.

But China dumped all its inconvenient premodern baggage in the Cultural Revolution. There's no traditional ideological barrier to their becoming gung ho neoliberals.

Still doesn't mean neo-liberalism can turn them into a super-power, can a nation of 1.35 Billion pull this trick off? China might be a better place to live in the long term if it doesn't bother going for Super-Power status and instead went for Nice Place to Live status instead. The two aren't necessarily the same thing are they? Is it a good idea for them to want to spunk billions worth of resources on various arms races just so they can barge their way into the affairs of other peoples countries and have fucktons of troops to sacrifice all to protect the interests of 0.01%?

Fuck that if I were a Chinese national. I don't think even being wealthy, influential and secure from invasion requires being a super power.

 

[phildwyer]

Still doesn't mean neo-liberalism can turn them into a super-power, can a nation of 1.35 Billion pull this trick off? China might be a better place to live in the long term if it doesn't bother going for Super-Power status and instead went for Nice Place to Live status instead. The two aren't necessarily the same thing are they? Is it a good idea for them to want to spunk billions worth of resources on various arms races just so they can barge their way into the affairs of other peoples countries and have fucktons of troops to sacrifice all to protect the interests of 0.01%?

Fuck that if I were a Chinese national. I don't think even being wealthy, influential and secure from invasion requires being a super power.

I couldn't agree more.

However I believe capital always acquires its own volition, which always will seek out profit with the same blind intent as a shark seeks blood--and this even when it obviously violates the well-being of the nation, and even when it disturbs the happiness of capital's owners themselves.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Still doesn't mean neo-liberalism can turn them into a super-power, can a nation of 1.35 Billion pull this trick off? China might be a better place to live in the long term if it doesn't bother going for Super-Power status and instead went for Nice Place to Live status instead. The two aren't necessarily the same thing are they? Is it a good idea for them to want to spunk billions worth of resources on various arms races just so they can barge their way into the affairs of other peoples countries and have fucktons of troops to sacrifice all to protect the interests of 0.01%?

Fuck that if I were a Chinese national. I don't think even being wealthy, influential and secure from invasion requires being a super power.

I doubt if they'll be able to resist the lure of being a superpower any more than the US or the UK did.

 

[revol68]

Still doesn't mean neo-liberalism can turn them into a super-power, can a nation of 1.35 Billion pull this trick off? China might be a better place to live in the long term if it doesn't bother going for Super-Power status and instead went for Nice Place to Live status instead. The two aren't necessarily the same thing are they? Is it a good idea for them to want to spunk billions worth of resources on various arms races just so they can barge their way into the affairs of other peoples countries and have fucktons of troops to sacrifice all to protect the interests of 0.01%?

Fuck that if I were a Chinese national. I don't think even being wealthy, influential and secure from invasion requires being a super power.

Christ I've read some naive shite on here but that's special...

 

[camouflage]

Christ I've read some naive shite on here but that's special...

*shrugs* well, put your thoughts out here then an lets see how they stand up.

 

[TomUS]

She has been given diplomatic immunity & has flown the coop. Good riddance. Crisis over.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

She has been given diplomatic immunity & has flown the coop. Good riddance. Crisis over.

So the US has shat it off India and allowed her to leave.

Where's the maid?

Crisis far from over, relations are soured, but India is a fairly benevolent state and will forgive.

Besides, the US diplomatic corps in India very much enjoy having a bevy of house staff at their beck and call, costing fuck all. Pity that 50% of them are on the government's payroll and are what you may term as spies

 

[elbows]

The maid issued a statement:

In her first public statement, Sangeeta said she had decided to come to the US hoping to work for a few years to support her family and had planned to later return to India.

"I never thought that things would get so bad here, that I would work so much that I did not have time to sleep or eat or have time to myself," she said in a statement released by the anti-trafficking group Safe Horizon, which is representing her in the case against Devyani Khobragade.

She said she had tried to return to India because of the treatment meted out to her while she was working for Devyani Khobragade.

"Because of this treatment, I requested that I return to India but that request was denied."

"I would like to tell other domestic workers who are suffering as I did - you have rights and do not let anyone exploit you," Sangeeta said.

Safe Horizon welcomed the indictment, saying it "demonstrates the seriousness with which the US government treats labor exploitation."

"I hope that this case sends a clear message to diplomats and consular officials that the US will not tolerate the exploitation of workers and marks the beginning of an increase in prosecution of these cases," said Avaloy Lanning, senior director of the organisation's anti-trafficking programme.

http://www.financialexpress.com/new...-richard-claims-she-suffered-terribly/1217537

 

[DotCommunist]

demonstrates the seriousness with which the US government treats labor exploitation."

LOL

 

[frogwoman]

Its not racist to suggest that there's a lot of poverty in India (or the US for that matter). And it not racist to doubt what a government, any government says.

Its beginning to amaze me how far Urban seems willing to go out of its way to take against a worker's rights, as long as they can tweak the US government. I'd always thought that the posters of Urban were generally worker friendly. Not on this thread it seems.

agreed

 

[revol68]

Casually Red is a clown who has a crude anti imperialism instead of a class analysis, this is because he views things from a nationalist perspective.

 

[revol68]

frankly I couldn't give a shit about some pricks diplomatic immunity and let's face it neither would anyone on here if it had been a US diplomat involved in some abuse of power, rather if the roles were reversed most on here would be laughing at the arrogant yanks for thinking they can break local laws. Also it wasn't a cavity search, it was a strip search and cough, which whilst obviously intrusive is par for the course in the US, so I see no reason to cry a river cause it's some ruling class shit from India being put through instead of some Mexican immigrant or woman arrested for drugs possession.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

frankly I couldn't give a shit about some pricks diplomatic immunity and let's face it neither would anyone on here if it had been a US diplomat involved in some abuse of power, rather if the roles were reversed most on here would be laughing at the arrogant yanks for thinking they can break local laws. Also it wasn't a cavity search, it was a strip search and cough, which whilst obviously intrusive is par for the course in the US, so I see no reason to cry a river cause it's some ruling class shit from India being put through instead of some Mexican immigrant or woman arrested for drugs possession.

You have no problem with a women having her vagina examined over nothing?

 

[camouflage]

revol68 - Still waiting for a proper response from you as to why not becoming a super-power is a naive and shitty idea....

 

[andysays]

Casually Red is a clown who has a crude anti imperialism instead of a class analysis, this is because he views things from a nationalist perspective.

TBH, it often appears to be an anti-British-imperialism-but-not-really-that-concerned-about-any-other-sort perspective, but maybe I've missed the nuance of his often blind seeming support for other strands of imperialism as long as he can somehow have a go at the Brits...

 

[andysays]

You have no problem with a women having her vagina examined over nothing?

Is this not absolutely standard proceedure for all people arrested and admitted to jail in the US? Is there any suggestion (other than the disputed diplomatic immunity status) that it was in any way exceptional?

 

[revol68]

You have no problem with a women having her vagina examined over nothing?

Am I still beating my wife...

Read the post again...

As I said she went through treatment that is par for the course in the US (regardless of whether I disagree with the heavy handed nature or indeed with border controls in general), I don't give a shit about diplomatic immunity, indeed it's funny when wankers who think their power holds them above laws come a cropper and so I don't see why anyone is crying about this privileged pricks rights considering she was involved in hyper exploitation of her maid and undercutting wages in general.

Issues I have with heavy handed policing and the unnecessary use of strip searching remain but are hardly what stands out in this case, on the contrary that would be attempting to use diplomatic immunity to abuse your employee. Like I said if the US state claims the right to do this to poor mexican immigrants or arrested people in general it should hold it for ruling class Indians too, whether I think it should have such wide ranging and heavy handed powers is another discussion.

 

[revol68]

revol68 - Still waiting for a proper response from you as to why not becoming a super-power is a naive and shitty idea....

cos a) it is a superpower complete with nuclear weapons poking it's nose well across it's borders and b) even if it wasn't as yet, these matters aren't some sort of "choice" but are structural.

 

[iROBOT]

She has been given diplomatic immunity & has flown the coop. Good riddance. Crisis over.

The diplomat hasn’t been "given" immunity, she has refused to waive her diplomatic immunity and has been expelled by the USA.

 

[camouflage]

cos a) it is a superpower complete with nuclear weapons poking it's nose well across it's borders and b) even if it wasn't as yet, these matters aren't some sort of "choice" but are structural.

China isn't a super-power, it doesn't dominate even one ocean or even all the nations on it's borders, takes more than a few nukes to take the title, it's a major power obviously but that's it. I agree that super-powerdom is structural though, or a trajectory resulting from various different factors but some of that would be political will, that politicians can stand up and chat bollocks about 'sea to shinning sea, manifest destiny, rule the waves, civilizing mission, defend against <enemy-ideology-here>ism' or whatever and actually get big chunks of the population all enthusiastic and happy to see their taxes funding big-cock projects and their sons (and daughters) marching off to honor some distant face-off.

I don't know if the Chinese would be impressed by anything more than telling Japan to step-off, and I don't think China is on the super-power path in any case. But this expectation that China becoming a super power is a no-brainer is bogus, and in any case becoming a massive industrial producer with lots of new b/millionaires and a fattening middle class has as much to do with the structural underpinnings of super-powerdom as being a 'high performing market' has to do with healthcare, infrastructure, human-rights, political freedom and education.