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US disregards diplomatic protocol, humiliates India's deputy consul general

check out china's moves into Africa.

China is a super power, it can call the shots as much as the US and Russia these days. Gone are the days of the USA and USSR projecting their power at almost will around the world, Iraq was in many ways the US's last hurray and the balls up it made testimony to it's fading hegemony.

Basically China is a superpower or there are none any more.
 
The diplomat hasn’t been "given" immunity, she has refused to waive her diplomatic immunity and has been expelled by the USA.

As I understand it, that's not entirely accurate. She only had Consular immunity, which is different than full Diplomatic immunity. Consular immunity only applies to actions taken as part of her job. It doesn't apply to private actions. As a matter of courtesy, I don't think she should have been arrested, but there wasn't any legal bar to it. People with Consular immunity can still be arrested for felonies associated with their personal actions. Hiring a maid is a personal action. The way she is alleged to do it, is a felony.

It appears that what happened was that the US and India negotiated a settlement to the issue by bumping up her immunity and expelling her. That allows the US to say that they enforced the law, while India can claim the US caved. Its a solution that works for everyone. Too bad it was so slow in coming. This shouldn't have gone on for two months.
 
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check out china's moves into Africa.

China is a super power, it can call the shots as much as the US and Russia these days. Gone are the days of the USA and USSR projecting their power at almost will around the world, Iraq was in many ways the US's last hurray and the balls up it made testimony to it's fading hegemony.

Basically China is a superpower or there are none any more.

Ah yes, the network of military bases, the way China can dictate policy to its string of African clients as opposed to merely trade with them, the way it's navy patrols the trade-ways of the seas and the various mid-ranking powers that depend on Chinese backing and support lest they plunge into chaos, insecurity and war with each other in a desperate bid to orient themselves outside the context of all those Chinese dominated multi-lateral organizations, not to mention the various military interventions (in it's own 'back-yard' and beyond) that China may deem necessary and execute at will while declaring that they have the support of at least a third of the governments of all other nations (who wouldn't dare to withhold their hearty approval). Yes, I see what you mean now.

Or... you have grossly underestimated the scale of what a super-power actually is. I think it's you who are talking naive shit.
 
check out china's moves into Africa.

China is a super power, it can call the shots as much as the US and Russia these days. Gone are the days of the USA and USSR projecting their power at almost will around the world, Iraq was in many ways the US's last hurray and the balls up it made testimony to it's fading hegemony.

Basically China is a superpower or there are none any more.

Not sure that the USSR could ever "project its power at almost will around the world", and at their height they were much more powerful (relatively speaking) than the Chinese are. As for the "fading hegemony of the US", that is probably wishful thinking - if anything, the lessons of Iraq have probably made the US military stronger in 2014 than it was in 2002.
 
Seems to me that you are reducing power to military muscle, whilst China holds the US debt in its hands.
 
As Arrighi noted, US has all the military power, China got the money - first time such a split has happened. The rising power usually has both.
 
Seems to me that you are reducing power to military muscle, whilst China holds the US debt in its hands.

When one entity owes the other billions or trillions of dollars: where does the balance of power lie?

It's arguable that defaulting on a debt that size, will most likely bring down the creditor, aside from its effect on the debtor.
 
Seems to me that you are reducing power to military muscle, whilst China holds the US debt in its hands.

Then, there's all that farmland they're buying. They're buying huge tracts of land in Africa (and other places) that's currently occupied by native peoples. We all know how that works out in the long run.
 
Seems to me that you are reducing power to military muscle, whilst China holds the US debt in its hands.

lol, China is owed a huge mountain of America-tokens, it's true. But let's talk about power (the derail is about super-power after all). In my humble opinion, power is far above money, an explanation:

If I have power over you and I 'owe you money', that means you give me cash as and when I say for you to give me cash and if I feel like it you might see some of it again.

If you have power over me and I owe you money, that means I give you cash as and when you say for me to give you cash and if you feel like it I might be left enough to feed myself.

Of course, China could just shoot itself in the head or something, splatter Americas shirt, which would annoy them.
 
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lol, China is owed a huge mountain of America-tokens, it's true. But let's talk about power (the derail is about super-power after all). In my humble opinion, power is far above money, an explanation:

If I have power over you and I 'owe you money', that means you give me cash as and when I say for you to give me cash and if I feel like it you might see some of it again.

If you have power over me and I owe you money, that means I give you cash as and when you say for me to give you cash and if you feel like it I might see some of it again.

i think that's what i mean.... anyway hopefully you get the idea.

We live under capitalism not feudalism.

China has the factories and the labour...
 
As I understand it, that's not entirely accurate. She only had Consular immunity, which is different than full Diplomatic immunity. Consular immunity only applies to actions taken as part of her job. It doesn't apply to private actions. As a matter of courtesy, I don't think she should have been arrested, but there wasn't any legal bar to it. People with Consular immunity can still be arrested for felonies associated with their personal actions. Hiring a maid is a personal action. The way she is alleged to do it, is a felony.

It appears that what happened was that the US and India negotiated a settlement to the issue by bumping up her immunity and expelling her. That allows the US to say that they enforced the law, while India can claim the US caved. Its a solution that works for everyone. Too bad it was so slow in coming. This shouldn't have gone on for two months.
I stand corrected, thanks.
 
We live under capitalism not feudalism.

China has the factories and the labour...

sigh. What are you... some sort of 'anarcho-capitalist' that thinks the market and the capitalism that lives in it is just some sort of free-roaming unsupported 'natural force' that just magically holds itself together with fairae dust? :confused:

Oooh, I know, and gold has 'intrinsic value' because it's shinny and 'paper' is worthless because it comes out of 'thin air' and the hidden hand of the market would make the world all nice if only gurnmint would stop interfering. :rolleyes:
 
sigh. What are you... some sort of anarcho-capitalist that thinks the market and the capitalism that lives in it is just some sort of fre-roaming unsupported force that just magically holds itself together with fairae dust? :confused:

to which I could reply do you think armies run on air.

it's almost as if military power and economic are interwoven, that the US and China are at present co dependent on each other and this gives China a pretty big seat at the table, able to face the US as pretty much an equal.
 
to which I could reply do you think armies run on air.

it's almost as if military power and economic are interwoven, that the US and China are at present co dependent on each other and this gives China a pretty big seat at the table, able to face the US as pretty much an equal.

Armies run on food and fuel and various other materials. If the US wanted a Trillion Billion America-tokens to appear tomorrow and wipe out their debt they can do that, just one of the super-powers many options (the world reserve currency belong 2 US). There'd be an impact of course, but nothing the US couldn't manage on its side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion_dollar_coin

A super-powers powers are such that people can mistake the artifacts of its will for the laws of physics itself or something, as you have just done. Schoolboy error.

I don't want to sound like I think this is all a good thing mind, I don't. Just that I think we should face the facts of our US dominated situation face on, and not think that because China is big and populous that therefore it's of an equivalent magnitude of power.
 
Yeah that's how the economy works...

Also take into consideration the US populace, that is a drain on their power, they ain't going to go fighting no mass imperial war anytime soon without massive social upheaval that threatens entrenched power.
 
Also take into consideration the US populace, that is a drain on their power, they ain't going to go fighting no mass imperial war anytime soon without massive social upheaval that threatens entrenched power.

er - the US populace has supported the creation of a military that would easily defeat any other nation in a conventional campaign.
 
er - the US populace has supported the creation of a military that would easily defeat any other nation in a conventional campaign.

It couldn't take Vietnam, nor Iraq, Al Qaeda is now in Fallujah.

Maybe if the world was a game of risk and armies faced off in a field and shook hands after but em there's nuclear weapons and urban warfare....

The US is in an economic mess at home, a major war would destabilise the shit out of it.
 
The way camoflague and Agricola talk about power is hilariously one dimensional, too much table top games I think.
 
It couldn't take Vietnam, nor Iraq, Al Qaeda is now in Fallujah.

Maybe if the world was a game of risk and armies faced off in a field and shook hands after but em there's nuclear weapons and urban warfare....

The US is in an economic mess at home, a major war would destabilise the shit out of it.

"Couldnt take Iraq"? They invaded and occupied the country in 21 days.
 
Armies run on food and fuel and various other materials. If the US wanted a Trillion Billion America-tokens to appear tomorrow and wipe out their debt they can do that, just one of the super-powers many options (the world reserve currency belong 2 US). There'd be an impact of course, but nothing the US couldn't manage on its side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion_dollar_coin

A super-powers powers are such that people can mistake the artifacts of its will for the laws of physics itself or something, as you have just done. Schoolboy error.

I don't want to sound like I think this is all a good thing mind, I don't. Just that I think we should face the facts of our US dominated situation face on, and not think that because China is big and populous that therefore it's of an equivalent magnitude of power.

Interesting aticle from Xinhua fron Oct' 2013 confronts this very issue, a call for the "de-Americanisation" of the world.

By Xinhua writer Liu Chang
BEIJING, Oct. 13 (Xinhua) -- As U.S. politicians of both political parties are still shuffling back and forth between the White House and the Capitol Hill without striking a viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanized world.
Emerging from the bloodshed of the Second World War as the world's most powerful nation, the United States has since then been trying to build a global empire by imposing a postwar world order, fueling recovery in Europe, and encouraging regime-change in nations that it deems hardly Washington-friendly.
With its seemingly unrivaled economic and military might, the United States has declared that it has vital national interests to protect in nearly every corner of the globe, and been habituated to meddling in the business of other countries and regions far away from its shores.
Meanwhile, the U.S. government has gone to all lengths to appear before the world as the one that claims the moral high ground, yet covertly doing things that are as audacious as torturing prisoners of war, slaying civilians in drone attacks, and spying on world leaders.
Under what is known as the Pax-Americana, we fail to see a world where the United States is helping to defuse violence and conflicts, reduce poor and displaced population, and bring about real, lasting peace.
Moreover, instead of honoring its duties as a responsible leading power, a self-serving Washington has abused its superpower status and introduced even more chaos into the world by shifting financial risks overseas, instigating regional tensions amid territorial disputes, and fighting unwarranted wars under the cover of outright lies.
As a result, the world is still crawling its way out of an economic disaster thanks to the voracious Wall Street elites, while bombings and killings have become virtually daily routines in Iraq years after Washington claimed it has liberated its people from tyrannical rule.
Most recently, the cyclical stagnation in Washington for a viable bipartisan solution over a federal budget and an approval for raising debt ceiling has again left many nations' tremendous dollar assets in jeopardy and the international community highly agonized.
Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated, and a new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing.
To that end, several corner stones should be laid to underpin a de-Americanized world.
For starters, all nations need to hew to the basic principles of the international law, including respect for sovereignty, and keeping hands off domestic affairs of others.
Furthermore, the authority of the United Nations in handling global hotspot issues has to be recognized. That means no one has the right to wage any form of military action against others without a UN mandate.
Apart from that, the world's financial system also has to embrace some substantial reforms.
The developing and emerging market economies need to have more say in major international financial institutions including the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, so that they could better reflect the transformations of the global economic and political landscape.
What may also be included as a key part of an effective reform is the introduction of a new international reserve currency that is to be created to replace the dominant U.S. dollar
, so that the international community could permanently stay away from the spillover of the intensifying domestic political turmoil in the United States.
Of course, the purpose of promoting these changes is not to completely toss the United States aside, which is also impossible. Rather, it is to encourage Washington to play a much more constructive role in addressing global affairs.
And among all options, it is suggested that the beltway politicians first begin with ending the pernicious impasse.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-10/13/c_132794246.htm?utm_source=The Sinocism China Newsletter&utm_campaign=725c8d2fea-Sinocism10_14_131&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_171f237867-725c8d2fea-24573061
 
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