Urban v's the Commentariat

[frogwoman]

id love some of these intersectionalists to come and experience life outside their cosy little bubble.

she also said "if it happened to him he'd be jumping up and down" which would probably horrify them

 

[el-ahrairah]

there's an arguement on my facebook feed with someone (whose white housemate has dreads) saying it's not OK for white people to have dreads

when i had dreads i got more love for them from black people than i ever did from white people. looking back now i think i might have been being patronised however.

 

[ska invita]

someone said:

"It is ok to have dreads - grow up"

Her reply:

"says white person to people of colour"

the long winter nighrts must fly by.....

 

[rekil]

someone said:

"It is ok to have dreads - grow up"

Her reply:

"says white person to people of colour"

I was looking for a vid of a dreadlocked Irish guy doing improv reggae with a local fellow doing beatbox in Goa or someplace but I couldn't find it and came across this intersectionality nightmare instead. A really white englishwoman entertaining Indian people with Irish dancing.

Spoiler

 

[SpineyNorman]

For those of you who wish you hadn't gone to university (I think that quite often myself) what do you think you would have been better off doing?

I was definitely better off doing an apprenticeship than any of the kids I knew who went to uni from school (though tbh that's not very many). By the time I'd served my time I was earning pretty much double what they were in their first jobs.

I'm glad I went later in life though - with eyes wide open with regards to how little it would really help my employment prospects and how much debt I'd end up with. I wouldn't have known what to do if I'd gone at 18 (probably would have done some kind of engineering degree) and definitely wouldn't have appreciated it as much.

I think unless they desperately wanted to do a particular degree or had specific talents that could only be realised at uni I'd recommend that kids got a trade and then went to uni later in life, when they'd experienced a bit of life, knew what they wanted to learn about and could really appreciate being allowed to study pretty much exactly what they wanted to (though that's probably not the case for many at uni - I've been lucky there) full time.

 

[DotCommunist]

there was a statesman article on the politics of black hair recently- tangenitally related. It wasn't mental though, it made sense. Unlike the no dredds for whitey idea

 

[andysays]

there was a statesman article on the politics of black hair recently- tangenitally related. It wasn't mental though, it made sense. Unlike the no dredds for whitey idea

Was that the one where some woman was arguing that she had POC status because her hair was really frizzy, like what all black people's is?

 

[DotCommunist]

no, that one was the apotheosis of twittersectionalism though.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

New Statesman liberal Sarah Ditum doesn't like the expansion of "No Platform" to non-fascists: http://www.newstatesman.com/sarah-d...out-attacking-individuals-deemed-disagreeable

 

[frogwoman]

maybe i need to check my privilege but i really do have to wonder what sort of racism these people have experienced if they're getting upset about white people wearing dreads.

the fact is that huge numbers of people have experienced some sort of discrimination, racism, sexism, or have loved ones that have, or even something like being unable to find a job because of mental health issues or a disability.

rather than the idea that people dont understand and shouldnt even try because its oppressive, its far useful to like talk about ideas and experiences, ways of dealing with it etc.

My old housemate went to belly dancing every week, she was chinese, it isn't a part of chinese culture as far as I'm aware. Does she need to check her privilege?

 

[Balbi]

New Statesman liberal Sarah Ditum doesn't like the expansion of "No Platform" to non-fascists: http://www.newstatesman.com/sarah-d...out-attacking-individuals-deemed-disagreeable

Barring a well known and widely publicised columnist like Bindel, who does have form for being a hateful despicable speaker and writer, is akin to letting fascists win

"If you don't like the mean people, don't share a platform with them" is playground idiocy. Yes, let them have a platform and be right but don't make a fuss

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Barring a well known and widely publicised columnist like Bindel is akin to letting fascists win

The other way of looking at it is that it's faintly comical that NUS or some intersectionalists on twitter actually think that a well known columnist can be meaningfully no platformed in the first place.

 

[DotCommunist]

voltaire lives

 

[Balbi]

The other way of looking at it is that it's faintly comical that NUS or some intersectionalists on twitter actually think that a well known columnist can be meaningfully no platformed in the first place.

I reckon said columnist and her friends getting a right bee in her bonnet about it is even more comical

 

[DotCommunist]

nice elision of silencing Zionist ranter with silencing a woman talking about feminism. Context free freedom of speech

 

[Balbi]

"this conference believes Julie Bindel is vile" though, . That'll sort the problem/How could she possibly have taken that in the spirit it was meant. It's hilarious an NUS conference is even doing that.

 

[frogwoman]

it's hilarious NUS conferences even think they are relevant to anything. Most students just see them as a thing to get discounts

 

[Nigel Irritable]

nice elision of silencing Zionist ranter with silencing a woman talking about feminism. Context free freedom of speech

Is there any reason to think that either should be silenced? It seems to me that on this issue, the usually useless Ditum has something of a point. No platform was never about shutting up every dick we don't like simply because they are dicks and we don't like them or their views.

 

[Balbi]

it's hilarious NUS conferences even think they are relevant to anything. Most students just see them as a thing to get discounts

A step on the ladder to political stardom

 

[Nigel Irritable]

And it's hard not to crack a grin at someone from Feminists Against Censorship arguing for no platforming other feminists.

 

[Balbi]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...e-intellectuals-are-driving-the-students-mad/

This Alan Johnson bloke's a proper turd though

 

[Nigel Irritable]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...e-intellectuals-are-driving-the-students-mad/

This Alan Johnson bloke's a proper turd though

Yes, of course he is.

 

[frogwoman]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...e-intellectuals-are-driving-the-students-mad/

This Alan Johnson bloke's a proper turd though

fuck both sides of that "argument".

 

[Balbi]

Nobody disses Judith Butler

 

[frogwoman]

what a stupid title anyway

"the intellectuals are driving the students mad"

er seriously

 

[DotCommunist]

thuggery lol, a light boying off, nothing more.

 

[Balbi]

what a stupid title anyway

"the intellectuals are driving the students mad"

er seriously

KNOWLEDGE AS COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL

 

[butchersapron]

How pathetic, "I've been on this campus ten years" indeed. You'd never tell would you?

 

[frogwoman]

to be fair i can't stand most of that BDS stuff and this:

He might have been writing about the student at the end of the video who hints darkly about dirty “Israeli money” not being “wanted here.”

is a bit

but seriously, if you want to do a proper critique of this stuff then do so without whinging about swearing and making yourself look like a dick

 

[DotCommunist]

to be fair i can't stand most of that BDS stuff and this:



is a bit

but seriously, if you want to do a proper critique of this stuff then do so without whinging about swearing and making yourself look like a dick

thats the usual 'criticisms of israel is anti-semitism' done with a little more tact than mad mel innit