Urban v's the Commentariat

[butchersapron]

It's not unusual for military units to have either a soldier or attached civilian who does sketches and/or paintings of major events in a unit's history. Nowadays they tend not to turn up in the front line, but they often used to do that and produce artwork based on what they saw during an action. Go inot any officer's mess or regimental museum and you'll find at least one painting commemorating some battle or other from wars gone by.

Cheers, i was really asking why we should respect such a notion though. (Or Jack Russel's watercolours for that matter!)

 

[equationgirl]

not defending her, but didn't all the 'war artists' ultimately sell their work/be commissioned?

If you mean the official war artists contracted by the government for either of the world wars then their work was produced for propaganda purposes a lot of the time. But there were also unofficial artists, those who painted what they saw at the front for whatever reason and who knows what happened to those works? I doubt they were produced with the express intent of being sold though - hardly the most pressing thought at the front.

 

[equationgirl]

This page is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_official_war_artists

Crabapple's not a war artist though is she? She's a conflict tourist, she's monetising whatever she draws/paints with the express intent of monetising. How much is she giving back to Syria after monetising the dead?

 

[andysays]

This page is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_official_war_artists

Crabapple's not a war artist though is she? She's a conflict tourist, she's monetising whatever she draws/paints with the express intent of monetising. How much is she giving back to Syria after monetising the dead?

I like your description, though I don't think it fully conveys the extent to which she is cynically exploiting the conflict and those individuals killed etc in it. I'd suggest conflict vulture or conflict vampire is nearer the truth

 

[rekil]

There was a video on the previous thread that sums her up perfectly. She's giving a talk to some oxford types, government advisers, judges, barristers, in her own words ambitious people. And she says she's a revolutionary socialist. And they give her a little round of applause. And she smiles. It tells you everything you need to know about the role she plays.

PD on the case here.

 

[equationgirl]

I like your description, though I don't think it fully conveys the extent to which she is cynically exploiting the conflict and those individuals killed etc in it. I'd suggest conflict vulture or conflict vampire is nearer the truth

I think she's used by publications to a certain degree, that said, she has allowed herself to be exploited in that way.

 

[equationgirl]

PD on the case here.

Can't see it

 

[andysays]

This page is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_official_war_artists

Crabapple's not a war artist though is she? She's a conflict tourist, she's monetising whatever she draws/paints with the express intent of monetising. How much is she giving back to Syria after monetising the dead?

Also, the term "war artist" can be applied wider than the idea of someone appointed by a state as an official propagandist, so someone who depicts scenes of war in an artistic way which actually attempts to add something to our understanding.

Examples would be Picasso's Guernica, or maybe Ralph Steadman's stuff from Biafra (which I can't find any examples of). Crabapple's "work" though is simply kitsch which says nothing and adds nothing to anyone's understanding.

 

[frogwoman]

crabapple's not a war artist. she hasn't lived through the reality of war, she doesnt know wtf she's talking about, she's living in new york somewhere and getting paid by rich liberals

 

[andysays]

I think she's used by publications to a certain degree, that said, she has allowed herself to be exploited in that way.

She may well be used to a degree, as are many others discussed here, which just makes their claims to radical outsiderness more ridiculous and cynical/comical

 

[rekil]

Can't see it

Try now. The text is a bit shitty, but deliberately so.

 

[J Ed]

What's the war time equivalent of an ambulance chaser? Molly Crabapple is that.

 

[DotCommunist]

crabapple's not a war artist. she hasn't lived through the reality of war, she doesnt know wtf she's talking about, she's living in new york somewhere and getting paid by rich liberals

closest to the sharp end was a nicking at Occupy NY (which LP declined to face)

 

[rekil]

She's after Banksy's market $$$$$$$

 

[frogwoman]

closest to the sharp end was a nicking at Occupy NY (which LP declined to face)

"not going back out there to get arrested just for journalism"

 

[DotCommunist]

What's the war time equivalent of an ambulance chaser? Molly Crabapple is that.

in medieval times there were people who would go onto the battlefield after a big engagement and loot anything they could from the corpses. Given that said armies will have been burning thir crops, stealing their food and generally acting the cunt they may have had some justification...

anywaythere's a special term for them, but I cannot recall it.

 

[Idris2002]

in medieval times there were people who would go onto the battlefield after a big engagement and loot anything they could from the corpses. Given that said armies will have been burning thir crops, stealing their food and generally acting the cunt they may have had some justification...

anywaythere's a special term for them, but I cannot recall it.

Camp followers?

 

[equationgirl]

closest to the sharp end was a nicking at Occupy NY (which LP declined to face)

At least she had the bottle to be nicked. I seem to remember a certain LP stating that she wasn't prepared to do that.

 

[butchersapron]

Camp followers?

*Must resist*

 

[DotCommunist]

Camp followers?

could be, but I think that refers in general to the loose collection of sex workers, ad hoc armourers, hostlers and etc that would trail an army behind the baggage train. whereas there was a specific word or term. Not crows.

 

[ViolentPanda]

not defending her, but didn't all the 'war artists' ultimately sell their work/be commissioned?

She's not a "war artist", she's a liberal who makes a living (to borrow a phrase from The Clash) "turning rebellion into money".

 

[ViolentPanda]

This page is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_official_war_artists

Crabapple's not a war artist though is she? She's a conflict tourist, she's monetising whatever she draws/paints with the express intent of monetising. How much is she giving back to Syria after monetising the dead?

"Conflict tourist" hits the nail on the head.

She's monetising the struggles of others.

 

[andysays]

could be, but I think that refers in general to the loose collection of sex workers, ad hoc armourers, hostlers and etc that would trail an army behind the baggage train. whereas there was a specific word or term. Not crows.

Yeah, I was thinking camp followers, but having just looked them up, your def is right.

I think though that in least in some cases they were groups who more or less followed the armies around, preying on them after battles rather than "opportunistic locals".

 

[frogwoman]

vultures?

 

[equationgirl]

I'm recovering from food poisoning btw, hence my early afternoon postings.

 

[treelover]

in medieval times there were people who would go onto the battlefield after a big engagement and loot anything they could from the corpses. Given that said armies will have been burning thir crops, stealing their food and generally acting the cunt they may have had some justification...

anywaythere's a special term for them, but I cannot recall it.

I wonder if there was an actual occupation, rather than as an opportunist, scavenger?

 

[rekil]

This imbecile. Dearie me.

 

[weepiper]

in medieval times there were people who would go onto the battlefield after a big engagement and loot anything they could from the corpses. Given that said armies will have been burning thir crops, stealing their food and generally acting the cunt they may have had some justification...

anywaythere's a special term for them, but I cannot recall it.

It was usually the infantrymen from the winning side that did this. Isn't it just 'scavengers'?

 

[andysays]

vultures?

I like your description, though I don't think it fully conveys the extent to which she is cynically exploiting the conflict and those individuals killed etc in it. I'd suggest conflict vulture or conflict vampire is nearer the truth

I wonder if there was an actual occupation, rather than as an opportunist, scavenger?

...I think though that in least in some cases they were groups who more or less followed the armies around, preying on them after battles rather than "opportunistic locals".

So are you two just going around scavenging bits from my posts?

BTW, there's a reference in Les Miserables about one of the characters looting on the battlefield of Waterloo, but I can't quite remember if he was an opportunist or a full time looter. I think the latter, though I might be mis-remembering

 

[DotCommunist]

It was usually the infantrymen from the winning side that did this. Isn't it just 'scavengers'?

after small and portable items of wealth, or gear better than their own and of the right size. No the term reffered to people, non army affiliated (even loosely a la camp follower) who would loot after dark.

it'll come to me at some point.