Urban v's the Commentariat

[8ball]

Sorry, its more than every country bar Thailand.

Thailand is certainly an interesting case.

 

[butchersapron]

Btw - they were playing gary glitter every time there was a four in the last 20 over game.

 

[TruXta]

I didn't know that.

Seen as a cure for being gay AFAIK.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Btw - they were playing gary glitter every time there was a four in the last 20 over game.

Anything under four was Lostprophets?

 

[ska invita]

That's pretty much an example of non-internalisation.

i think its an example of self-awareness of an internalisation - slightly different

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, I agree (and we've agreed on this before ). I'm doubtful that fighting fire with fire does anything more than get drawn into a spiralling descent of factionalism though, iyswim.

The best way out of the impasse is co-operation, but unfortunately to some on the left (who know through "bitter experience") that means co-optation, so limited co-operation is possibly the best we can currently hope for.

 

[butchersapron]

i think its an example of self-awareness of an internalisation - slightly different

That's pure external force. Every Prussian carries his gendarme in his breast - governing their behaviour. They doesn't need officers. That's internalisation. Not refraining from doing something because other people think it's bad.

 

[8ball]

Seen as a cure for being gay AFAIK.

Yeah, I knew that, just wasn't aware of the numbers.

 

[cesare]

The best way out of the impasse is co-operation, but unfortunately to some on the left (who know through "bitter experience") that means co-optation, so limited co-operation is possibly the best we can currently hope for.

I think a start would be to point out that these are essentially reformist politics.

 

[rekil]

Btw - they were playing gary glitter every time there was a four in the last 20 over game.

Anything under four was Lostprophets?

For a six? Eddie Large doing his Savile impersonation?

 

[butchersapron]

Anything under four was Lostprophets?

Ooh!

 

[rekil]

Dunno where this should go. The occupy twitter machine has been commandeered by a 'champagne tranarchist' from google apparently.

http://about.me/jtunney

Occupy isn't about belief politics. It's about retribution and exit. We pwnd some bankers and built our own sovereign simulacrum of society.

I want to make it clear that this is not an anti-corporate movement. This is an anti-Wall Street movement.

How come we don't just break up the U.S. Regime into nation-states and cosmopolitan city-states?

 

[revol68]

Dunno where this should go. The occupy twitter machine has been commandeered by a 'champagne tranarchist' from google apparently.

http://about.me/jtunney

Occupy as your résumé, fucking hell.

 

[butchersapron]

Where have all the working class snipers gone? Are they in Afghanistan? No vengeful one legged vets at home?

 

[Pickman's model]

Dunno where this should go. The occupy twitter machine has been commandeered by a 'champagne tranarchist' from google apparently.

http://about.me/jtunney

proof positive that bse can be transmitted to humans.

 

[rekil]

I think also, Alvarenga. There's some stuff going on here.

What is this about?

 

[TruXta]

What is this about?

He set sail as a woman, was rescued a man.

 

[butchersapron]

What is this about?

Dunno - had an inkling of an idea last night but went out and it's gone....

 

[rekil]

I saw something about him being trained in guerilla warfare, but for which side?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think a start would be to point out that these are essentially reformist politics.

Yeah, but reformism couched in terms that imply revolutionary potential, at least to those that buy into it.

 

[frogwoman]

I just had this google ad when i checked my email

Cooking a Bacon Sandwich?
Find out why you should Give A Fork About Pork!
www.lovepork.co.uk

google - check your privilege

 

[SpineyNorman]

 

[rekil]

This has to be a proledemmer gone rogue

 

[BigTom]

well from a gender theory perspective I take issue with it as it implies that non trans people don't experience gender as problematic, disjointing and often violent.

the idea of being born in the wrong body is reactionary crap, a slap in the face to feminism that has fought biological essentialism for hundreds of years.

Fair enough, I was struggling for a way to describe what trans/cis refers to without using those terms, I didn't really know what to say, what would you say when describing what trans means in a largely emotional/physical/biological sense, the kind of description that would apply if being trans was essentially meaningless in a broad social context.

I don't understand why cis as a term means that non trans people don't experience gender as problematic etc though, unless you're using trans in a wider sense than I am, and the word encompasses what I imagine is neccessarily problematic/disjointing and usually if not always violent (I guess you could argue surgery is always violent but I don't think that's what you are saying here and not what I'd consider violence), but then if that's why, any word you use as an antonym to trans will do this too won't it?
(I've replied to this without reading the three further pages that have been posted during today)

edit:

that you can be born into the wrong body, rather than the problem being gender typing forcing certain expectations on bodies based on sex.

the reification of gender dysphoria into a medical/biological condition rather than a social issue.

I essentially see it like breast enlargement or other cosmetic surgeries, in that it can be an means for individuals to navigate through or around such issues but there are obvious issues to be faced into how people come to feel so disjointed from their bodies.

Again this in no way justifies attacking trans people as people or the vicious comments of some of the madder end of the rad fem community.

Just wanted to say that although I'm looking for a way to describe trans/cis in a more biological way, I do see it as a social issue, but with a medical/biological side as well

 

[ViolentPanda]

I just had this google ad when i checked my email

Cooking a Bacon Sandwich?
Find out why you should Give A Fork About Pork!
www.lovepork.co.uk

google - check your privilege

Brilliant!

 

[smokedout]

I essentially see it like breast enlargement or other cosmetic surgeries, in that it can be an means for individuals to navigate through or around such issues but there are obvious issues to be faced into how people come to feel so disjointed from their bodies.

how many five year old ask for nose jobs?

 

[SpackleFrog]

A "cultural norm" is a something accepted across a culture - that has been normalised in everyday use by everybody - like saying "pardon me" after belching, or holding a door open for someone. It's not merely something that's been accepted by part of the culture.

In that case saying Pardon Me isn't a cultural norm either.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Saying bollocks while belching is though.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Spelling out the alphabet while beliching is as well

 

[DotCommunist]

I've never made it past N. And not through lack of practise either.