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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

A perfectly normal thing to do on a Friday night
Tbh I have been a bit even weirder than usual for the last two weeks. Finding it hard to hang out with people who just talk about normal stuff and aren’t at all freaked by what’s going on. Tried it yesterday, didn’t go great. I’m not that interested in hearing about boyfriend troubles or whatever right now So yeah.:(
 
Tbh I have been a bit even weirder than usual for the last two weeks. Finding it hard to hang out with people who just talk about normal stuff and aren’t at all freaked by what’s going on. Tried it yesterday, didn’t go great. I’m not that interested in hearing about boyfriend troubles or whatever right now So yeah.:(
Well, we are all weird but that's not good though tbh . I made the comment in jest, as a throw away .
I have a short break from social media every now and again or just browse and don't reply, otherwise it can become all consuming . You take care of yourself.
 
It’ll make all the Russian troops go outside in sub-zero temperatures wearing little more than a bikini, and subsequently freeze to death.

I once copped off with a girl from Durham after a night at the Boat with the revolving (revolting?) dance floor - it was February, she was wearing about 4 square inches of clothing, I was wearing a shirt and jumper and had recently returned from Norway.

I was shivering so hard I could barely kiss her, she didn't bat an eyelid.
 
Why does cutting Russia of from the Internet seem like a total own goal and in fact handing Putin what he wants on a plate?


is it not putins own plan to get what he wants on a plate

:hmm:
 
For want of a nail...



John Deere Brigade. 👍🏻

I see Ukrainian SOF referred to there as Spetznatz. I’ve been wondering about the name Spetznatz.

Are the Russian ones SOF like SAS etc. or more like US Rangers? From the amount of them I’ve seen referred to I take the Rangers view. There seems to be a lot of them. (Appreciate it is propaganda friendly that every RU soldier killed is Spetznatz, just like every German tank was a Tiger).
 
Tbh I have been a bit even weirder than usual for the last two weeks. Finding it hard to hang out with people who just talk about normal stuff and aren’t at all freaked by what’s going on. Tried it yesterday, didn’t go great. I’m not that interested in hearing about boyfriend troubles or whatever right now So yeah.:(
Did find it out on Tuesday listening to a bloke planning his next three months worth of football, displacement I think
 
Interesting article - Russian equipment losses



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This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Small arms, munitions, civilian vehicles, trailers and derelict equipment (including aircraft) are not included in this list. All possible effort has gone into discerning the status of equipment between captured or abandoned. Many of the entries listed as 'abandoned' will likely end up captured or destroyed. Similarly, some of the captured equipment might be destroyed if it can't be recovered. ATGMs and MANPADS are included in the list but not included in the ultimate count. The Soviet flag is used when the equipment in question was produced prior to 1991.

Russia - 1104, of which: destroyed: 455, damaged: 14, abandoned: 171, captured: 464
 
no worries get what you mean but think restricted the internets been on putins playbook for years
this just gave him the defense of public security to restrict it to the level he wants

and he can blame the west for it at home
 
I don’t think anyone has ever looked at Russia and thought “wow, that Navy is amazing”

Subs wise it’s pretty cool but the aircraft carrier literally coal rolled past Britain a few years ago and was roundly mocked.
Its navy is, on the face of it, less crap and to be taken fairly seriously. It's had a fair bit of spending. Don't conflate the lack of ability to wage expeditionary warfare (i.e. carrier groups) with total ability. Very few countries can do the former and Russia's capacity for the latter is relatively strong. But I don't really see where it gets you in this kind of discussion because what are they supposed to do with a navy if they can't effectively project power by any other means?
John Deere Brigade. 👍🏻

I see Ukrainian SOF referred to there as Spetznatz. I’ve been wondering about the name Spetznatz.

Are the Russian ones SOF like SAS etc. or more like US Rangers? From the amount of them I’ve seen referred to I take the Rangers view. There seems to be a lot of them. (Appreciate it is propaganda friendly that every RU soldier killed is Spetznatz, just like every German tank was a Tiger).
It's a broad term that technically covers any "special purpose" unit, so for example yes Rangers but the Marines would count too. Usually it's possible to talk in more specific terms like Alpha Group. And if you think about it in comparative West/Russia terms then you're probably going to get more confused - they don't have equal purpose or standards.
 
In other nuclear armed adversaries, MAD situations, on Wednesday India fired a missile into Pakistan, apparently by accident. it didn't detonate but crashed instead and no counter strike was fired by Pakistan.

I don't know what kind of missile it was nor whether it had a payload.

But still, not ideal.

 
John Deere Brigade. 👍🏻

I see Ukrainian SOF referred to there as Spetznatz. I’ve been wondering about the name Spetznatz.

Are the Russian ones SOF like SAS etc. or more like US Rangers? From the amount of them I’ve seen referred to I take the Rangers view. There seems to be a lot of them. (Appreciate it is propaganda friendly that every RU soldier killed is Spetznatz, just like every German tank was a Tiger).
They kind of bridge from special forces like SAS along to elite paratrooper types.

The trouble is that the word "spetznaz" has become a broader description of any vaguely special-looking force in Russia.
 
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John Deere Brigade. 👍🏻

I see Ukrainian SOF referred to there as Spetznatz. I’ve been wondering about the name Spetznatz.

Are the Russian ones SOF like SAS etc. or more like US Rangers? From the amount of them I’ve seen referred to I take the Rangers view. There seems to be a lot of them. (Appreciate it is propaganda friendly that every RU soldier killed is Spetznatz, just like every German tank was a Tiger).

It's just a catch-all term - if I was being dismissive I would say that it applies to every Russian soldier allowed within 20ft of a map...

There's a bewildering array of units from different organs of state - Airborne units from the Army, Marines from the Navy, and 'crunchy' paramilitary units from SVR, FSB, GRU, OMOM....

If applied in a UK context it would include everyone in 16 Air Assault Bde, everyone in 3 Commando Bde, 21/22/23 SAS, SBS, SRR, Ranger Regiment, and then SIS, MI5 DI and the Home Office all having their own versions of 22SAS.

A squabbling gangfuck.
 
ok, Russia warned that fighter jets would be a step too far, would be seen as participation, and thats why it isn't happening. I was wrong. It happens daily tbh.

Bigger point is still the same though: Everyone (nato, america) is taking threats like that (dont dare send the jets or else we will count you as beligerents) seriously because it imagines that any step that provokes Russia too much would mean immediate ww3 and lead to nukes. Thats the bit i am struggling with .
Russia threatens nukes because that's the only tool that they have that allows them to hold NATO at bay. Whether people like it or not, NATO is the largest and most powerful military alliance the world has ever seen and whilst the western European contingent wound down to almost the minimum requirements, the eastern states with a wary eye on Russia largely kept up with their military spending. The US, as the biggest member has maintained their post ww2 doctrine of being able to fight and win two major conventional wars simultaneously.

As a combined military, NATO would pulverise the Russian military in very short order. The Russians know this, NATO knows this. That's why NATO takes the nuclear threat seriously, because it IS a serious threat. No amount of pressure under the present circumstances will make them create a no fly zone over Ukraine. Zelenskyy is pushing on a closed door with these requests.

It's a shite state of affairs :(
 
It's just a catch-all term - if I was being dismissive I would say that it applies to every Russian soldier allowed within 20ft of a map...

There's a bewildering array of units from different organs of state - Airborne units from the Army, Marines from the Navy, and 'crunchy' paramilitary units from SVR, FSB, GRU, OMOM....

If applied in a UK context it would include everyone in 16 Air Assault Bde, everyone in 3 Commando Bde, 21/22/23 SAS, SBS, SRR, Ranger Regiment, and then SIS, MI5 DI and the Home Office all having their own versions of 22SAS.

A squabbling gangfuck.
Talking of which, what about that gang of weird steroid-bulged bodybuilding types who prance around in the blue-and-white striped T-shirts like some kind of Putinesque homoerotic fantasy? :hmm:
 
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