bcuster
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a different situation, entirely. the usa prevailed in a civil war, unless you recognize the sovereignty of the CSA
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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i was wrong about that one, which is why i deleted the post. e2a: only a complete plonker would ask a question like that, i myself don't recognise israel (and btw nor do you) but nonetheless there it is
perhaps you could answer the questions in 22078 before posing any questions of your own
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have you heard of israel?
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* taps watch *
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
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israel six day war 1967, the us haven't won a war in bloody ages - barring things like panama and grenada
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
It's weird they use that quote from a war criminal though, who they describe thusly:I haven't heard a more accurate description of the Russian aggressors' situation than "sleepwalking towards defeat..."
Former Russian commander in Ukraine says Moscow was unprepared for a protracted war and is now 'heading for military defeat'
Igor Girkin, who once led a group of Russian militants in Donetsk, said Moscow is sleepwalking toward defeat in Ukraine, per Ukrayinska Pravda.www.businessinsider.com
As well as his involvement of killing and torture in Ukraine, he's been found guilty in absentia of murdering the 298 people who were on board flight MH17 in a Dutch court following an international investigation. Not someone I'd describe as simply a "war blogger."
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brave sir robin
bcuster
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the US is doing everything reasonasbly possible to support Ukraine
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i don't care, that's got nothing to do with the topic you raised.
have you heard of israel, and in particular have you heard of the six day war? and the subsequent occupation of the west bank and gaza strip (and sinai, but the zionists withdrew from there in the end). a war started by the occupier, a war won by the occupier, and the occupation continuing to today in the west bank while the gaza strip remains effectively sealed off by israel
bcuster
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i posted an opinion piece. I agree with the author that russia will be defeated. that's really the sum & substance of it..
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by no means. it may be rare now but that is not to say it has always been rare. and i still await with interest your reply to my 22078. should the russians lose in ukraine that won't be because they started a conflict, nor because of any occupation, but because of their utter ineptitude in carrying it out
bcuster
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I'd say the ineptitude was in Russia's aggressively invading Ukraine, in the first place, Inept strategy, not necessarily tactics. I don't think the russians would've shown to be incompetent had ukraine invaded them. Ukraine would've been easily repulsed.
The russian military was considered brilliant in their actions against ISIS. Hawks here were saying "why can't the US be like them?" (the russians)
It's the same military that is "sleepwalking" now in ukraine
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Us Brits didn't do too badly. We kept most of India, Australia and Canada for the best part of 150 years and the coastal bits of Africa for just over 100. You lot only kicked us out because the French turned up, and look where that got them a few years later...
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the spanish took the americas from mexico south (and a fair amount north, what's now new mexico, arizona and texas and california for example) bar brazil, and kept it for several centuries. thought that'd occur to someone resident in the united states.
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you're comparing two utterly dissimilar wars, the one against daesh being very different to the one against ukraine. if the americans weren't performing as well as the russians, well, that's not for the lack of practice - after all, the americans had a decade or more of small wars experience before the campaign against daesh began.
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They weren't really won through traditional Russia vs Ukraine style warfare though, were they?
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Tbf That was a present from a Pope, same Pope gave Brasil to Portugal. Pretty outrageous really, didn't even both with wrapping paper
TopCat
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More the traditional English method of killing everyone with maxim machine guns.
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hiraethified
The Maxim machine gun wasn't invented until 1884, long after England/Britain had secured dominance over India.
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i don't think the people on the ground held up their hands and said 'ok, someone we've never heard of says you own our land, that's good enough for us'
TopCat
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I was thinking more of the BSA and South Africa
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russia v ukraine style warfare is anything but traditional. and you're apparently speaking from a position of abject ignorance, ignoring eg the war against the tippoo sultan, the anglo-sikh wars, and of course the great war around the mutiny. it's not at all like the british marched in and the indians rolled over. nor indeed did the french.
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How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It wasn't that one sided . At Mboto Gorge our opponents had some particularly sharp slices of guava.
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frankly omdurman more the apogee of that sort of thing
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but not over vast swathes of africa
Spymaster
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In military terms, Iraq was a huge win.
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no, it wasn't. now, you may be thinking of the major operations. but that wasn't the war, was it, just one campaign in it.
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