Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Raheem]

Like any of that is going to happen.

Well, it could, but I think Putin would view it as an unattractive offer at present.

 

[Yossarian]

Sounds like the same peace formula he discussed at the UN in September.

Ukrainian President outlines peace formula that punishes aggression, restores security

Russia must be punished for its “illegal war” against Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told the UN General Assembly on Wednesday – part of a “peace formula” that also calls for greater civilian protection and defense support.

news.un.org

 

[weltweit]

Well, it could, but I think Putin would view it as an unattractive offer at present.

I think the most the Ukranians could hope for at the moment is to get the Russians out of the eastern provinces.

 

[a_chap]

I had to check it wasn't 1st April.




It isn't 1st April

 

[ska invita]

I think the most the Ukranians could hope for at the moment is to get the Russians out of the eastern provinces.

Which if they began to succeed would position UA army sandwiched between RUS forces in Russia to the East and now isolated and more desperate RUS forces to their West...I fear what would happen next

 

[strung out]

What do you both mean by eastern provinces? Presumably both Donetsk and Luhansk? It's not possible, or at least exceedingly unlikely for Ukraine to liberate those territories without also having liberated most of occupied Zaporizhzhia and Kherson.

What are the fears people speak of if Ukraine liberates too much territory? A nuke? More murder? I'd say the first is extraordinarily unlikely and the second is happening anyway.

 

[Lurdan]

twitter link

Tucker Carlson accuses Volodymyr Zelensky of waging a “war against Christianity” - Media Matters
(contains the video clip)

 

[teqniq]

Excellent piece of investigative journalism here from the NYT. The video is worth a watch but please be warned it has lots of images of dead civilians in it.



Archived version here

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[spitfire]

That bottom feeder Michael Tracey was using that as a reason that Ukraine should stop fighting the Russians because look what you made them do stop hitting yourself.

 

[Yossarian]

I had to check it wasn't 1st April.




It isn't 1st April

Yeah, the pro-Putin wing of the Republican Party and their allies went into overdrive with Zelensky's visit to DC.

They're still blaming aid to Ukraine for everything the government isn't spending money on, despite being the authors of the "Let's Block the Government From Spending Money on These Things in Particular" bill.

 

[Dystopiary]

I had to check it wasn't 1st April.




It isn't 1st April

If Zelensky'd worn a tidy suit, the same people going on about this would be slagging him off for spending money on fancy clothes.

 

[turing test]

These folks from faux have fashion tastes which are largely irrelevant for the next 2 years.

 

[MickiQ]

Mrs Q's cousin has posted video from his 10 year old daughter's school nativity play on FB, the background is decked out in blue and yellow to show support for Ukraine, not sure what sort of practical help a primary school in the suburbs of Liverpool can offer but I'm sure the sentiment is appreciated.

 

[existentialist]

That bottom feeder Michael Tracey was using that as a reason that Ukraine should stop fighting the Russians because look what you made them do stop hitting yourself.

He is getting properly bonked for it, though.

 

[Raheem]

Mrs Q's cousin has posted video from his 10 year old daughter's school nativity play on FB, the background is decked out in blue and yellow to show support for Ukraine, not sure what sort of practical help a primary school in the suburbs of Liverpool can offer but I'm sure the sentiment is appreciated.

If they run out of ideas, there's always educating refugee kids.

 

[The39thStep]

Don't think this statement does anyone any favours tbh

 

[teqniq]

'Investment'. Right. Glad that's been cleared up.

 

[Ming]

I had to check it wasn't 1st April.




It isn't 1st April

The only way that piece of shit could be anymore of a dickhead is if he went back to wearing a bow tie.

Just for shits and giggle…

 

[8ball]

The only way that piece of shit could be anymore of a dickhead is if he went back to wearing a bow tie.

Just for shits and giggle…

Jon Stewart has gone off the boil recently, but I think this is a lovely bit of video.

 

[Ming]

Jon Stewart has gone off the boil recently, but I think this is a lovely bit of video.

In his time though…The Daily Show was were we went for actual political commentary (wrapped up in satire). I’ll always have a soft spot for that guy.

That clip i can always watch. You can see how in his eyes at the start of the show he’s there to destroy. And how he gets the first punches in before the arseholes have time to respond. Just controls it. The show got cancelled shortly afterwards.

 

[8ball]

You can see how in his eyes at the start of the show he’s there to destroy.

I've never focused on that exact bit before, but yeah.

That expression is pure "IMMA CHARGIN MA LASER!!!".

 

[Ming]

I've never focused on that exact bit before, but yeah.

That expression is pure "IMMA CHARGIN MA LASER!!!".

You’ve always got to focus on the paralanguage dude. Windows of the soul and all that.

 

[Tanya1982]

The only way that piece of shit could be anymore of a dickhead is if he went back to wearing a bow tie.

Just for shits and giggle…

‘Hard to top the absurdity of the current administration’ - just before the election of 2004. Little did we all know then…

 

[8ball]

You’ve always got to focus on the paralanguage dude. Windows of the soul and all that.

Maybe that's the key.
If I get the opportunity to meet the paralanguage dude I'll get right on it.

 

[Ming]

‘Hard to top the absurdity of the current administration’ - just before the election of 2004. Little did we all know then…

One thing I like to do (being a political/news junkie) is to go back a few decades and see if what i believed back then still holds true. That clip still stands up. It nailed Fox and their disgusting agenda. Al Franken’s very good on Fox and the Murdoch press.

 

[Ming]

Maybe that's the key.
If I get the opportunity to meet the paralanguage dude I'll get right on it.

He’s not good in a verbal conversation.

 

[Spymaster]

Don't think this statement does anyone any favours tbh

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I think she was paraphrasing Zelensky, who said the something similar on his Washington visit.

 

[Chz]

'Investment'. Right. Glad that's been cleared up.

You can't honestly believe the US sees it as anything else? They're spending a lot of dosh, and they wouldn't normally hand out cash that easily to anyone; except that in this case it's all going towards wiping out one of their major rivals' armed forces without a single American life being lost. (not counting the mercenary loons) Added bonus that a lot of the material investment is stuff headed for the scrapheap anyway.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

You can't honestly believe the US sees it as anything else? They're spending a lot of dosh, and they wouldn't normally hand out cash that easily to anyone; except that in this case it's all going towards wiping out one of their major rivals' armed forces without a single American life being lost. (not counting the mercenary loons) Added bonus that a lot of the material investment is stuff headed for the scrapheap anyway.

And as always an excellent advert for American weapons, just in case anyone needed a reminder.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You can't honestly believe the US sees it as anything else? They're spending a lot of dosh, and they wouldn't normally hand out cash that easily to anyone; except that in this case it's all going towards wiping out one of their major rivals' armed forces without a single American life being lost. (not counting the mercenary loons) Added bonus that a lot of the material investment is stuff headed for the scrapheap anyway.

Plus they can see how this stuff works in an actual war setting.


Anyway, Pussy Riot being bang on it again…