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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

Four retired West Sussex fire engines set off to Ukraine in the early hours of this morning, joining a whole convoy of equipment from about five or six other fire services, well done to all the volunteers transporting them, and the FireAid charity. :)
 
And destroying Ukrainian children's homes, killing their parents, and turning them into refugees is definitely going to bolster Putin's argument that they are one people and one country - all those people whose first memory was fleeing a bombed city with their traumatized parents will no doubt grow up with fond memories of the Russian motherland.
Exactly. I know it’s teen magazine-level psychology but I don’t see how indiscriminate attacks on civilians is strategically aligned at all with his goals, short or long term, so can only try to make sense of it in my head as the fury of a spurned lover, how dare you reject my embrace.
 
Exactly. I know it’s teen magazine-level psychology but I don’t see how indiscriminate attacks on civilians is strategically aligned at all with his goals, short or long term, so can only try to make sense of it in my head as the fury of a spurned lover, how dare you reject my embrace.
I have never seen anyone place so much hope in Stockholm syndrome, more weight perhaps than it will bear, before
 
Still smaller than the British army's bearskin
Ah, history nerd trigger warning: before Kevlar and similar, fur ( like multilayered silk) offered pretty good light weight protection against edged weapons, the thousands of fibres working in quite a similar way to modern ballistic soft armour (although ironically not modern stab proof armour). A bearskin offering almost as good protection against sabre cuts from people on horses as a metal helmet would have done at about half the weight. And made the wearer look bigger too, which was a psychological advantage… I did warn you.
 
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Nah, tank warfare isn't finished - tanks within a Combined Arms operation (artillery, air, infantry and tanks) are hugely effective - it's just that tanks on their own, just like infantry on their own, are hugely vunerable, and not particularly effective.

What we've been seeing, which is attacks by one or the others, but rarely all four at the same time, suggests that the Russian Army simply hasn't been exercising properly, and therefore can't do what are quite complex combined arms attacks.

Much easier to get an MLRS regiment to vapourise a grid square, and a few miles away have a Tank regiment roar across the steppe at 50kph, and a few miles away from that have infantry dismount from their APC's and do a live fire attack on a trench system.
One thing that has come out is Russians can't do combined warfare. I 'hope' China is a more worthy adversary coz at present seems a bit hard to justify needed NATO to be as kick arse as it is..Getting the agreement on 2% was hard work at the time
 
One thing that has come out is Russians can't do combined warfare. I 'hope' China is a more worthy adversary coz at present seems a bit hard to justify needed NATO to be as kick arse as it is..Getting the agreement on 2% was hard work at the time
despite trying for many years nato didn't manage to defeat the taliban so facing a technologically advanced foe might easily be beyond them
 
You are the once with no nuance you fucking prick. I guess you want Russia to blow up a few more maternity hospitals to liberate us from the fascists. Fuck you going on ignore before you really piss me off.

Fucking cunt
I would like to apologise to Gramsci for this. I was out if order.

For various reasons this has been fucking with my head particularly badly the last few days. I've not even been able to sleep. Just laid there crying one night.

I let it get to me last night and massively overreacted.

At least I had the sense to put them on ignore and step away from the thread for a bit.
 
I would like to apologise to Gramsci for this. I was out if order.

For various reasons this has been fucking with my head particularly badly the last few days. I've not even been able to sleep. Just laid there crying one night.

I let it get to me last night and massively overreacted.

At least I had the sense to put them on ignore and step away from the thread for a bit.
that shows a good spirit :thumbs:
 
Oh, no. I just mean well meaning anti nazis choosing to go on about azov at this time who are they helping.
People are posting on an irrelevant internet forum - its not "helping" anyone in regards this war...at best it is "helping" us understand the complexities of what is happening.
Theres been a lot of aghast "dont mention this or that" on this whole thread. Usually so as to concentrate on talking about weaponry.
 
People are posting on an irrelevant internet forum - its not "helping" anyone in regards this war...at best it is "helping" us understand the complexities of what is happening.
Theres been a lot of aghast "dont mention this or that" on this whole thread. Usually so as to concentrate on talking about weaponry.
Yeah I didn’t really mean on here, it’s just a weird thing to see on the wider internet the massive overlap between the talking points pushed in Russian propaganda and the posts from well intentioned anti nazi and anti racism people.

Btw I read something earlier about how Russian outward-facing propaganda in this war hasn’t been aimed much at ‘us’ in the west but is concentrating on the global south more, highlighting the hypocrisy of the colonial west, the racism we saw at the borders and the nazis as well.
 
I think refusing to ‘pick a side’ because of nazis or nato or whatever is kind of self absorbed wankery tbh but I get the appeal, you get to feel a bit superior and maybe emotionally detached as well.
Reverse with me, think you can hope Ukraine repels the invasion and takes it as a chance to put own house in order. Now wider populous mobilsed by dire necessity, no so dependent on head bangers who just act as cover for Putin now. Plus fuck em.
 
Actually a proper solar topee or pith helmet is a really practical hat for keeping your head cool in really hot weather without restricting your vision too much…

I might start a military millinery thread.
So, in short: actually useful, rather than just taking the pith
 
Reverse with me, think you can hope Ukraine repels the invasion and takes it as a chance to put own house in order. Now wider populous mobilsed by dire necessity, no so dependent on head bangers who just act as cover for Putin now. Plus fuck em.
That’s not refusing to pick a side though it’s just optimism.
 
I usually find your posts insightful, but I don't think the Bush/Blair comparisons work, it just takes my mind to 'Bush and Blair were arseholes for that, and their domestic politics, and so's Putin for this and his domestic politics🤷' and I don't think that's what you're getting at?

I suppose Bush/Blair were less delusional because the defeat of Iraq was quicker and with less cost to USUK than appears to be the case for Putin/Russia in Ukraine, although the insurgency and rise of isis counts against that.

The Iraqi regime of the time was demonstrably worse than modern Ukraine's too, although I didn't, and still don't, think that justified that invasion

My point is they are all arseholes, but it's only when an arsehole does something the West doesn't like they become a deluded mad man who must be stopped at all costs. Saddam Hussein is the prime example of that. And the western press near unanimously falls inline with such assessments frequently adopting the language of mental health and personality disorders to utilise as slurs which entirely depend on the stigmatisation of people with mental health conditions. Brutal, savage, mistaken, foolish, reckless, none has quite the same kick as mad, or psychotic, and that kick comes from prejudice.

I don't really see any difference in terms of 'sanity' in this war than in any others wars and I think it's muddling a lot of people's perception of what's going on. The one key difference between the invasion of Iraq and Putin's invasion of Ukraine is that to all intents and purposes Russia and Ukraine were already at war in the Donbas, a war in which the US has sent arms to be used to attack Russain forces, and some of which undoubtedly ended up the hands of a far right militia - a militia that had been absorbed into the mainstream Ukranian army. And this is happening on Russia's doorstep, not the other side of the world. None of this to my mind comes close to justifying the wider invasasion, but then I'm not some military hawk in a defence department somewhere. And I suspect if comparable events were taking place in Mexico or Canada, with Russian backing, then the response from the US would be equally if not more horrifying. And they'd justify it by no doubt claiming to have 'mad man' on the border they needed to destroy. But they are all arseholes, playing stupid geo-political strategic power games because that's what states do and to hyperfocus on certain individuals as mad or deluded obscures that reality - suggesting that if we could only get rid of the mad tyrants instead of the structures which facilitate and encourage such individuals then everything would be alright.
 
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