Idris2002
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When I'll be 69. Nice.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I don't think he's worth bothering with because he's brought precisely fuck all to the table that hasn't been discussed before on this very thread.
His points have already been dealt with a lot better by people on this thread and Chomsky has been saying similar for at least a decade. I find Fiona Hill's analysis and the article from a Ukrainian leftist, titled something like The idiocy of Western anti imperialists, posted earlier on this thread far more useful though because they acknowledge the NATO aspect but discuss issues way beyond anything Hitchens or Chomsky do.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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Starry Wisdom
this is the only post to mention idiocy on this thread. maybe you have the link if not the name of the article?
e2a: you mean the anti-imperialism of idiots perhaps or perhaps A letter to the Western Left from Kyiv but this is something lots of people have been criticising for years, the notion that my enemies' enemy is my friend. i've not been whitewashing russia or saying they were right to invade ukraine or georgia or making any excuses for putin, and tbh nor have most other people right left or centre.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yeah that's the one I meant.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
A Canadian veteran gives his view on the performance of Russian forces so far:
forums.sufficientvelocity.com
If half of what he says is correct, Ukraine may have a better chance than we'd think.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine - 2022 News
Right okay, I tried to stay out of this thread for my blood pressure but I can't at this point. Experience: OSINT Early Syria, OSINT A-A war, OSINT in the GSRP discord for this war, and a military officer (navy, but been to universal command school) This take legitimately causes me...
forums.sufficientvelocity.com
If half of what he says is correct, Ukraine may have a better chance than we'd think.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Will while away the hours whilst sitting in the rubble cooking rats over an open fire
gosub
~#
bridges.A Canadian veteran gives his view on the performance of Russian forces so far:
Russian Invasion of Ukraine - 2022 News
Right okay, I tried to stay out of this thread for my blood pressure but I can't at this point. Experience: OSINT Early Syria, OSINT A-A war, OSINT in the GSRP discord for this war, and a military officer (navy, but been to universal command school) This take legitimately causes me...
If half of what he says is correct, Ukraine may have a better chance than we'd think.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'Yeah, but there's a long history to this... you need to acknowledge that Shipman was backed into a corner by the NHS.... and you probably can't pronounce the word Shipman...'
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Rats plural? You dreamer.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
If all those old people hadn't got old he would never have been forced into this.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You are Liz Truss, aicm £5
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if he'd been able to expect a decent pension from the nhs he'd never have forged the will that got him caught
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This, especially the bolded bit.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I see myself in a senior administrative role post apocalypse - with privileged access to dead rodent resources and kebab skewers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but you'll never be the kebab king
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I hope you remember who your friends were when you are dishing out plump tails.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Fuck. There's going to come a point where they will just drive on through, though, surely?
Also, caltrops? Or would that be an unwarranted escalation?
Fiona Hill is of this view.
‘Yes, He Would’: Fiona Hill on Putin and Nukes
Putin is trying to take down the entire world order, the veteran Russia watcher said in an interview. But there are ways even ordinary Americans can fight back.
www.politico.com
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I hope Steven Seagal has gone to help his buddy Vlad and is on the front line bravely defending Russia’s honour
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Fuck. If it wasn't for you pesky kids...
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Where else would they be aimed at? Any missiles aimed at a NATO country would trigger NATO's 'an-attack-on-one-of-us-is an attack-on-all' clause, with the 'logical' response being a tit-for-tat attack on Russia. Putin may be behaving irrationally but I can't see him initiating nuclear warfare because of the likelihood of reciprocal counter-attacks aimed atThey wouldn’t be aiming for ukraine
I still think his nuke threat is just brinkmanship and a bully's threat.
He's perhaps frustrated and angry that the invasion hasn't (yet) gone according to plan; that brave Russian people are protesting this war in various cities and in sizeable numbers too; and because sanctions are having an effect already (plummeting rouble). Since there was a feeble response after his 2014 Crimean land-grab, he may have underestimated the relative severity of sanctions (not that they could be a lot more severe, e.g. if the Johnson clown govt didn't care about offending their donors...)
If anywhere at all, I would've thought only Ukraine itself could be a potential nuke target - a means to bring the war to a halt by forcing a Ukrainian surrender (as happened with Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki). But, as has been said upthread, if he covets Ukraine and sees it as part of Russia, why drop the bomb there, rendering large areas a radioactive wasteland?
Also, wouldn't a nuclear attack on Ukraine play very badly among Russian people? Whether some Russians see Ukraine as an independent and sovereign state, or whether (like Putin), some believe it should be merged with Russia as they are "basically the same people" - either way it's not a good look, surely, to evaporate millions of your fellow Slav & Orthodox neighbours?
gosub
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oh dear what a pity never mind
Raheem
Well-Known Member
If her debts to Putin are in roubles, she's laughing, though.
ska invita
back on the other side
Of course its about Russian imperialism and a "distorted" view of the world. Russia is the aggressor.
NATO is also about imperialism and has it own "distorted" view of the world.
Of course Poland isnt about to invade Russia! I dont see what difference that makes.
Yes there's a defensive aspect to NATO, if thats what you are getting at - all military might has that aspect. But lets not forget the empire building and strategising that currently see Iran surrounded by US bases! Or recognise how much strategic importance has been placed on Ukraine.
Its all a very dangerous game, and NATO is a player in it too.
What is the ROOT cause? Imperialist mentalities.
We've been through the NATO has a role to play stuff already and I dont want to repeat that.
But maybe worth saying this: NATO continues to have a massive role in this situation right now and could yet make an aggressive mis-step that gets many more people killed.
Russian amphibious assault on Odessa seems to have failed this morning as marines refused at the final hurdle and mutinied as they approached the beaches - couldn't face attacking such a Russian city, supposedly.
There's a nice irony there.
Pinch of salt etc but it is very widely reported:
There's a nice irony there.
Pinch of salt etc but it is very widely reported:
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