Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Weller]

We can argue about brexit. But teuchter can't, his best contributions to these boards have been about dogging and toilet doors

This is how at the moment I am planning to spend my last moments something I haven't yet done at least once .. in the morning sober that may change

 

[gosub]

I don't advocate shooting at any real life human ( or other animal for that matter) targets from the comfort of my centrally-heated living room. Nor should you.

Any squirrel that makes it that far had it coming

 

[discokermit]

Sberbank European collapsing after a run on its cash by predominantly Eastern Europe’s punters

Russian Sberbank's European units are failing due to war's impact, ECB says

Several European subsidiaries of Sberbank Russia, majority owned by the Russian government, are failing or likely to fail due to reputational cost of the war in Ukraine, the European Central Bank, the lenders' supervisor, said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Insight: Londongrad tries to kick its 30-year Russian money habit

VTB Capital last week lowered a large Russian flag at its palatial building opposite the Bank of England in London's financial district, signalling a retreat from one of the main global centres for money flows.

www.reuters.com

"Russian business has grown tentacles deep in Britain's financial system in the thirty years since the Soviet Union's collapse, prompting the British parliament's security and intelligence committee to warn in 2020 that its influence was so deeply embedded that by now it "cannot be untangled"."

makes you wonder about the knock on effects on londongrad, finance, even housing.

 

[donkyboy]

Not to take this off track, but you never see this type of condemnation and outrage when the Palestinians are bombed back to the stone age

 

[Ĝasper]

Not to take this off track, but you never see this type of condemnation and outrage when the Palestinians are bombed back to the stone age

This is true - so many conflicts around the world to be tackled by an anti-war movement.

 

[discokermit]

Also just discovered this:



I'm sure he'll turn out to be absolutely reprehensible in some way, but in the meantime... what the hell?!

Pandora Papers: Ukraine leader seeks to justify offshore accounts

Files obtained by ICIJ claim Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his partners established a network of offshore companies in 2012.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[two sheds]

Russian Sberbank's European units are failing due to war's impact, ECB says

Several European subsidiaries of Sberbank Russia, majority owned by the Russian government, are failing or likely to fail due to reputational cost of the war in Ukraine, the European Central Bank, the lenders' supervisor, said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Insight: Londongrad tries to kick its 30-year Russian money habit

VTB Capital last week lowered a large Russian flag at its palatial building opposite the Bank of England in London's financial district, signalling a retreat from one of the main global centres for money flows.

www.reuters.com

"Russian business has grown tentacles deep in Britain's financial system in the thirty years since the Soviet Union's collapse, prompting the British parliament's security and intelligence committee to warn in 2020 that its influence was so deeply embedded that by now it "cannot be untangled"."

makes you wonder about the knock on effects on londongrad, finance, even housing.

There was an international report a couple of years ago saying how London property prices are so high because of dirty money being laundered in properties.

 

[Humberto]

This is true - so many conflicts around the world to be tackled by an anti-war movement.

The older and more dissapointments I see (not that old in this part of the internet) the more I realise that they aren't supposed or even intending to win.

 

[Humberto]

There was an international report a couple of years ago saying how London property prices are so high because of dirty money being laundered in properties.

So important London property prices.

 

[RD2003]

Not to take this off track, but you never see this type of condemnation and outrage when the Palestinians are bombed back to the stone age

But the Palestians are not... In Europe. It's been made quite clear in recent days that it's unbelievable that war could now occur... in Europe.

Yugoslavia, of course, was never in Europe despite being in Europe. In Europe only means one thing now, and Britain, because Putin organised it, has undermined it.

 

[two sheds]

So important London property prices.

well yes they are to people who live in london. And what with so much dirty money that actually belongs to the Russian people being washed there.

 

[Humberto]

well yes they are to people who live in london. And what with so much dirty money that actually belongs to the Russian people being washed there.

It's a thoughtful subject.

 

[RD2003]

well yes they are to people who live in london. And what with so much dirty money that actually belongs to the Russian people being washed there.

All at the behest of the west, whose economic and political strategists encouraged the wholesale theft of the Russian/ex-Soviet economy. Which ultimately gave rise to Putin.
Too many on here talk as though Putin came from nowhere, and is just another baddie, to be eliminated as we advance to whatever (unattainable) 'good society' is in their silly little heads.

 

[Weller]

Not to take this off track, but you never see this type of condemnation and outrage when the Palestinians are bombed back to the stone age

Absolutely horrified by what Putin is doing but fair comment if only the Gaza atrocities , invasion , constant bombing and slaughter of encircled women and children (men count too) who have no way of defending themselves or leaving by a U.S.A supported nuclear armed powerful expansionist occupying ,tank running over murderer of U.S.A protestors , chemical weapons bombing bully had got this 3 days worth of news coverage and twitterati or facebook propaganda in last 15 years the mind boggles

I don't blame only Putin for the shit the world is now in for the foreseeable whatever happens next

 

[two sheds]

Brave people - was surprised when I saw similar the other night that they weren't wearing masks.

 

[Weller]

.. dual post with angry thumbs so removed
anger is an energy though

 

[two sheds]

And only football but emotional

 

[two sheds]

The rouble's taken a 30% hit against the dollar Guardian reports. Will concentrate minds you'd think.

 

[discokermit]

The rouble's taken a 30% hit against the dollar Guardian reports. Will concentrate minds you'd think.

lots of russian debt repayments, financial liquidity and gas being switched off is gonna be concentrating a few as well.

 

[Weller]

The rouble's taken a 30% hit against the dollar Guardian reports. Will concentrate minds you'd think.

the worry is though knowing this was bound to happen why did Putin and his comrades decide not just to invade but also to tell the rest of the world to go fuck their opinions , themselves , their threats and the horse they were thinking about riding in on

 

[Raheem]

The rouble's taken a 30% hit against the dollar Guardian reports. Will concentrate minds you'd think.

Double rouble trouble.

 

[two sheds]

lots of russian debt repayments, financial liquidity and gas being switched off is gonna be concentrating a few as well.

good point on debt repayments unless they just say 'whistle for your money if people are going to sanction us' - you'd think they'd need to keep selling the gas to keep up repayments otherwise.

 

[discokermit]

good point on debt repayments unless they just say 'whistle for your money if people are going to sanction us' - you'd think they'd need to keep selling the gas to keep up repayments otherwise.

dont know what the deal with the gas will be but i think germany buying all the liquid gas they can is a clue.
and being chucked out of that swift thing would mean they cant pay anything internationally? i dunno, its late an im tired.

 

[JimW]

Payment can still be arranged, just more slowly the old school way is what I read.

 

[Aladdin]

2 hours ago​

Report says Belarusian paratroopers could be sent to Ukraine as early as this morning​

"The Kyiv Independent is reporting that Belarusian paratroopers could be deployed to Ukraine as early as this morning.
The news outlet says it has multiple sources saying the decision has been made and that as soon as 28 February at 5am local time, the first Il-76 transport aircraft is very likely to take off carrying Belarusian paratroopers to be deployed against Ukraine.
Belarus's armed forces include nearly 45,000 military personnel, according to local media, and it is thought that those deployed to Ukraine could be sent to the Kyiv or the Zhytomyr areas.
Belarusian opposition media has launched an anti-war campaign, including a video from former high-ranking Belarusian airborne commander Valeriy Sakhashik.
He urges all Belarusian paratroopers not to obey unlawful orders that would throw them into a war against a friendly nation."

From Sky news.

Ukraine war latest: Footage captures 'assassinated' Russian general moments before blast in Moscow - as Ukraine claims it was behind attack

The Ukrainian security service has reportedly claimed it was behind the killing of a senior Russia general in Moscow. In an "embarrassment" for Vladimir Putin, Igor Kirillov, who was in charge of Russia's nuclear troops, was killed by an exploding scooter this morning.

news.sky.com

Interesting to see the former Belarusian air commander calling on their paratroopers to basically not fight in Ukraine by telling them not to follow unlawful orders.

 

[Dogsauce]

But the Palestians are not... In Europe. It's been made quite clear in recent days that it's unbelievable that war could now occur... in Europe.

Yugoslavia, of course, was never in Europe despite being in Europe. In Europe only means one thing now, and Britain, because Putin organised it, has undermined it.

I recall there was quite a lot of ‘oh no, war in Europe’ type reporting during the Yugoslavia war, so I don’t think that’s an entirely fair comment. Not on this scale though, but that’s more to do with who is involved and how much alarm that is causing.

 

[Yossarian]

I recall there was quite a lot of ‘oh no, war in Europe’ type reporting during the Yugoslavia war, so I don’t think that’s an entirely fair comment. Not on this scale though, but that’s more to do with who is involved and how much alarm that is causing.

If I remember correctly - which is admittedly a big if after 30 years - many of the headlines at the time literally said "WAR IN EUROPE."

 

[JimW]

the first Il-76 transport aircraft

You'd have thought they'd be a bit wary about that by now.

 

[LDC]

Already posted, deleted.

 

[Ĝasper]

All at the behest of the west, whose economic and political strategists encouraged the wholesale theft of the Russian/ex-Soviet economy. Which ultimately gave rise to Putin.
Too many on here talk as though Putin came from nowhere, and is just another baddie, to be eliminated as we advance to whatever (unattainable) 'good society' is in their silly little heads.

Thing is, we don't have a time machine..